Seeking info - H&K417 and LM&T LM7 (L129A1)

[[R-MOD]Mongolian_dude]

"Random UK-based gamer forum?"

Son-of-a-b...I bet the author is a member on this here forum
Remember whome you hath betrayed, comrade!

...mongol...

[[R-DEV]Gaz]

Just been told we are getting a few of these. Should be interesting with yet another weapon system chucked into the mix :P

[[R-CON]ReadMenace]

Originally Posted by [R-DEV]Gaz

Just been told we are getting a few of these. Should be interesting with yet another weapon system chucked into the mix :P

I'm sure you'll find a way to break it.

-REad

[[R-DEV]Eddie Baker]

Originally Posted by [R-DEV]Gaz

Just been told we are getting a few of these. Should be interesting with yet another weapon system chucked into the mix :P

Take lots of pictures! If they allow you to, at least.

[Pariel]

Send me one in the mail.

[jerkzilla]

Because the 5.56mm bullets – used in the standard-​​issue SA80A2 assault rifle – are smaller and lighter, they are less effective from 300 yards or further away.

It means insurgents – who use 7.62mm ammunition for their AK47s – back off and shoot at British troops from greater distances. Half of all battles in Helmand are fought between 300 and 900 yards.

Do the MAs agree with that quote from the Defensetech article? Looks like he's confusing the NATO 7.62 with the 7.62x39 used in the AK 47, and even if he is talking about the Warsaw Pact caliber, in reference to the AK's effective range, he is wrong, right?

Also, on the L129, are the rail covers made of the same piece as the upper?

[[R-DEV]Gaz]

The ranges look like the author has mixed up yards with metres. 5.56 can be used accuarately quite easily. A round hitting you even at say, 300m/s will still drop you. 5.56 will kill you as quickly as 7.62 at 300m. Anything past that, and the individual weapons (IW - L85A2) are only good for suppression in rifle platoon hands as an average shot.

Having fired ak varients on ex-Eastern Bloc countries and on tour, Insurgents can only harass at that distance. The AK may have a larger calibre, but the base weapon system itself isn't designed sighting wise to engage at anything like the ranges they portay. At 300-400m, I would hazard a guess that I will get a tighter group with a 5.56 L85A2 with SUSAT/ACOG than I would with the average 7.62 AK iron sight. That's as a trained sniper, without replacing my ability with a junked up Talib's.

The rail covers? The additional plastic bits (green parts)?

[jerkzilla]

Fail on my part.

I'm referring to the rail assembly (or rail accessory system, or whatever) that covers the barrel, which looks like this:

It looks as if the upper receiver and that bit are a single piece.

[[R-DEV]Gaz]

that is correct.

[wood_badger]

New exclusive Gun's and Ammo pictures for your viewing pleasure (sorry my scanner kinda sucks).

Also, $8.99US, HOLY HELL!! MAGAZINES GOT DAMN EXPENSIVE!!!





The UK MoD has designated this LMT MWS the L129A1. It's delivered in a Pelican case with eight magazines, a Dewey brass cleaning rod, Otis' 7.62 cleaning kit, and instruction manual. It features ambidextrous controls, a crisp trigger, KAC backup sights, a Surefire flash-hider/suppressor adapter, a tan ERGO grip, and LMT's own tan SOPMOD stock with removable sling attachments, British forces are equipping the "Sharpshooter" rifle with a rugged Trijicon 6x48mm ACOG sporting a BDC (bullet drop compensated) reticule for 7.62 NATO ball.

Gun's and Ammo: Combat Arms Magazine Exclusive
BY: Eric R. Poole
Photography By Jeff Rose

Everyone is talking, but few know anything about it. The L129A1. It's being loosely covered on the web, because it's only made an appearance at a couple of trade shows with it's maker, Lewis Machine & Tool (LMT). Respect for the British client and abiding by U.S. International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR), LMT has withheld the release of specific details.
But rather than let inaccurate speculations spread thoughout the industry, Combat Arms was personally invited and briefed by LMT Founder and President Karl Lewis. CA's editorial staff was permitted to watch the development of the L129A1 from computer-aided drawings into a product ready for shipment at LMT's ISO 9001-certified manufacturing facility. And to sweeten the experience, each of us was given the opportunity to extensively test fire what certainly may become the most saought after production 7.62mm Stoner rifle in existence.
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"The Brits tried to mimic the U.S. Marine corps' Designated Marksmenship Rifle program, but they couldn't get any of the rifles in their inventory to stay accurate long enough," Lewis said. The need for a 7.62 NATO-chambered rifle capable of extending a sharpshooters effectiveness was specifically called for by British troops serving in Afghanistan last year. "It was amazing how quickly they responded to the troop's needs and came up with this solution," Lewis added.
The British Army had a specific need. Armed with the L85A2 bullpup rifle chambered in 5.56 NATO, soldiers in Afghanstan were being outgunned by enemy threats equipped with belt-feed machine guns at distant ranges. How so? PKM machine guns laying a greater volume of fire with greater range than the 5.56 are difficult to neutralize with imprecise fire from dimensionally challenged rifles, using a NATO cartridge whose performance significantly drops after 500m.
"The 5.56mm is sufficiently lethal at the right range," said UK's Ministry of Defense (MoD), "but tropps need 7.62mm for longer ranges. We should be lloking at higher performance rounds with higher lethality at longer range. Research is going to filter into user requirements for the soldier system lethality programme."
The L129A1 is expected to eventually replace older bolt action Accuracy International L96 in the Sharpshooter role. The "sharpshooter" role is filled with specially trained marksmen who aren't trained to fulfill the duties of a sniper, but to provide enhanced accuracy and effectiveness for a small unit leader. Due to these circumstances, the MoD does not consider the L96 bolt gun to be a suitable action type for a patrolling soldier who might have to present quick and effective fire at both close range and distances between 500 and 900m.
The MoD doesn't have a precision weapons development group like the U.S. Marine Corps at Quantica, VA, or the U.S. Army Marksmenship Unit at Ft. Benning, GA. It needed a platform that wasn't going to require service to maintain MOA accuracy every 10,000 rounds (like the high maintance M-14), and it wanted a rifle unique to its needs. Among those needs clearly indicated by British troops in Afghanistan:

• Compact Length
• Comfortably patrolled with
• Can be quickly initiated
• Easily operated and maintained
• Chambered for 7.62 NATO
• Capable of repeatable hits on man-size targets effectively out to 800m using standard Radway 149-grain ball and basic infantary training.

I'm just gonna scan the article for you guys, typing sucks. coming soon
here we go







It's available for consumer purchase, and it's super affordable, starting @ $2500.00 US. I'm putting in the order when that tax return check hits the bank account.
It's also kinda in the vid, check it

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