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Old 07-05-2009, 04:55 PM   #11
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Default Re: Swarm Theory - in the long run, will it work or not?

Just cover the ground for 100m in every direction in honey or treacle.
The robots will become stuck and useless

If only war was that easy ;P
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Old 07-05-2009, 06:27 PM   #12
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Default Re: Swarm Theory - in the long run, will it work or not?

Well that might work for ground units but whats with UAV's?


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Old 07-05-2009, 07:41 PM   #13
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If you know where the bad guys are a few CBUs and SDBs will be more efficient than a massive swarm of micro UAVs. More importantly, if your enemy tries to setup a swarm of 400 drones to launch at your guys, odds are you will see it and will be able to strike them on the ground.

Smaller swarms of un-armed micro UAVs should be great for finding the enemy however. I just think its a better idea to separate the seek and the destroy into different platforms for stuff like this.
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Old 07-05-2009, 07:51 PM   #14
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Swarms on the scale that you describe MD, wont work, however smaller units will be, and currenly is a threat towards any ground unit lacking proper protection against those kinds of attack.

However, you have a point, simply becuse if X can get Y ammount of destruction for Z ammount of cash, X will allways go for the cheapest, most efficient way.


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Old 07-05-2009, 10:57 PM   #15
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I would not underestimate the power of unmanned weapon systems..

Nor would I underestimate the power of a well trained well equipped combat soldier.


Like more contemporary system? Tracked with a weapon system mounted on the top?

With those little helos? I see a lot of potential.
Maybe the first wave is loaded with some kind of smoke or thing to interfere with NVGs, as to blind the soldiers. The second wave of drones loaded with a downward facing claymore strapped to their bottom swoops in. Using thermal imagery they identify their targets. They fly 10 feet above your head and KABOOM. Others are loaded with WP or other types of incendiary weapons. Those who have tried to find cover and burned out of their holes.


In the end...me...I would rather not use live troops to assault a front line position. I'd rather use drones or what have you. For peacekeeping and security, soldiers need to be on ground to interact with civilians.

If the goal was to kill the enemy. A capable robotic weapon system would be preferable. You can always replace robots. You can't replace that corporal, Private, Sergeant who got their brains blown out.
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Old 07-06-2009, 01:34 AM   #16
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I would not underestimate the power of unmanned weapon systems..

Nor would I underestimate the power of a well trained well equipped combat soldier.


Like more contemporary system? Tracked with a weapon system mounted on the top?

With those little helos? I see a lot of potential.
Maybe the first wave is loaded with some kind of smoke or thing to interfere with NVGs, as to blind the soldiers. The second wave of drones loaded with a downward facing claymore strapped to their bottom swoops in. Using thermal imagery they identify their targets. They fly 10 feet above your head and KABOOM. Others are loaded with WP or other types of incendiary weapons. Those who have tried to find cover and burned out of their holes.


In the end...me...I would rather not use live troops to assault a front line position. I'd rather use drones or what have you. For peacekeeping and security, soldiers need to be
on ground to interact with civilians.

If the goal was to kill the enemy. A capable robotic weapon system would be preferable. You can always replace robots. You can't replace that corporal, Private, Sergeant who got their brains blown out.
i agree with you about that.

in 80 to 100 years well be building are troops
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Old 07-06-2009, 06:25 AM   #17
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question with your theory is what happens if both sides have this equipment if they were both even to an extent may happen be like the battle of jutland all over again dreadnought v dreadnought no real damage even though that was ww1 it is an example i put out there


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Old 07-06-2009, 07:27 AM   #18
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Then they find a way to negociate...because the later is such a waste of time and money that it is not worth fighting..


Or....they fight.....and fight......until some one says "oh yeah...WELL EAT THIS! /NUKE"
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Old 07-06-2009, 08:36 AM   #19
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So the world will end like a game of Supreme Commander.

Lots of robots and then someone gets nuked.
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Old 07-07-2009, 01:47 PM   #20
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Thanks to all deploying opinions/questions/statements.

Maybe i did answer my own question, but still, as also said by another, any robotic weapon system, including potential ones embedded in a future operational swarm theory, will probably be countered one way or another, directly or indirectly.

However, not completely then - i mean, we already do have millitary technologies today, which can wipe out a strong infantry unit.

Conclusively the swarm theory will probably end up in a technology-race where counter techs will be deployed continuously as the swarm theory and its embedded technologies evolve over time.

Maybe swarm theory and those related techs, will not in the end be used by the millitary but the police as part of cheap and useful RIOT CONTROL assets?

Or maybe even for cultural stuff? A potential millitary technology used as hardware firework, lighting up the sky without any explosive powder pollutes the air


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