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Old 04-16-2009, 05:30 PM   #31
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Similar Hi-lo system they used for the F-15 and F-16. Ones a superdooper, not a pound for air to ground with all the fancy kit the other is a lightweight, simpler, multirole design. And the F-15s and F-16s its replacing will be in service for a good few years yet (and to be honest, against the vast majority of potential opponents they're equally if not more capable.)
Only, perhaps, on a per-cost basis.

I think you'd have a tough argument on your hands if you claim the F-16 is more powerful than the JSF.

Not like they're not good enough for the job right now though.
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Old 04-16-2009, 05:46 PM   #32
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Only, perhaps, on a per-cost basis.

I think you'd have a tough argument on your hands if you claim the F-16 is more powerful than the JSF.

Not like they're not good enough for the job right now though.
Potential opponents.

I dont think we'll be seeing the F-16 taking on the JSF anytime soon. Against MiGs and Sus the F-16 and F-15 are still quite capable. Not on a par with the latest super rare variants but for the ones they'll encounter.

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Old 04-16-2009, 05:50 PM   #33
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Potential opponents.

I dont think we'll be seeing the F-16 taking on the JSF anytime soon. Against MiGs and Sus the F-16 and F-15 are still quite capable. Not on a par with the latest super rare variants but for the ones they'll encounter.
All in all its not just the jet hardware, but you need a good pilot to, afaik alot of the new aircrafts today is very much alike in handling and a good pilot can get a upper hand in dogfights.

On another note can I haz 1% of that budget plzzz?
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Old 04-16-2009, 08:08 PM   #34
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No, that's it. I guess the other ones crashed or something. There was a pretty big ****storm over this too. The heaviest weaponry they carry are like 250lbs laser-guided bombs.
Netherlands sends out the same amount of aircraft at one time aswel. Just look at it as a percentage of the total operational airforce, and those 250 lbs still make a bigger impact than the german photoshoots.
Netherlands had some problems to get mechanics for the ground crew some time ago, and those F16's need quit a bit of maintenance, i'm not sure how many hours one engine gives before it gets completely taken apart and reassembled again. But i's not that many hours.

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Old 04-22-2009, 10:54 PM   #35
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F/A-18 hornet is imperative to have (at least until it gets replaced by similar aircraft), because of its "mass-producibility." Its cheap, its small, and its also relatively easy to fly. The Russians have shown us time and again that sometimes, QUANTITY over quality wins.
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Old 04-22-2009, 11:44 PM   #36
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I've been wondering...

What caused the maintenance problems of the F-16? Age, or design? If the answer is age, then why did we not simply produce new F-16s?
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Old 04-23-2009, 04:27 AM   #37
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Because that would mean restarting the production? There's also the issues with a one-engine jetfighter: if an F15 loses power to one engine it can still try to limp back home, while an F16 will be in serious trouble.


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Old 04-29-2009, 07:52 PM   #38
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The F-35 will no doubt be an effective anti ground fighter. but without support of large number of air superiority aircraft like say oh...the F-22 that was just officially killed, i doubt they could hold their own against the projected swarms of MIG-29/35's, SU-27/32/35 & SU-47 type aircraft that we would be up against with an enemy like china or Russia.


I think in general gates/the defense department is gambling that UCAVS will overtake & replace manned attack & fighter aircraft in the next 20 years and from projections out there this is likely to be the case.
The F-22 is so much more maneuverable& capable that the human body can handle. Such an aircraft flown 'Unmanned' would be unstoppable.
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Old 01-22-2010, 05:54 PM   #39
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Potential opponents.

I dont think we'll be seeing the F-16 taking on the JSF anytime soon. Against MiGs and Sus the F-16 and F-15 are still quite capable. Not on a par with the latest super rare variants but for the ones they'll encounter.
The f-15 still surpasses the latest MIGs and Sukhois. It has a longer detection range and longer engagement range.

Jets as early as the Mig-27 did beat the F-15 in therms of speed and maneuvrability, but in modern airwar engagements most of the time take place beyond visual range.

If you want to impress at an airshow you absolutely love Russian jets, but as a weapon system nothing can really take on an f-15, which has yet to be shot down in air to air combat.

The F-35 is a stealth multirole fighter. Saying it is not as stealthy as the F-22 is like saying 3 tons do not squish a snail as good as 5 tons.

For the next 30 years or so There will be nothing that can seriously endanger a squadron of f-15 backed by a smaller number of F-22, therefore it makes to keep the good f-15 back the up with the f-22 which are currently maximum overkill and safe the money for a line of fighter jets that will be due in decades.
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