Military technology used in Georgia

[Technoelite]

I do know that before this has started a few gergian units where using the israllie made Tavor Tar 21 about 7,000 where shipped over there no wonder they killed os many russians

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Originally Posted by Technoelite

I do know that before this has started a few gergian units where using the israllie made Tavor Tar 21 about 7,000 where shipped over there no wonder they killed os many russians

any sources to back that up?

and russia has done very well in this war, i dont know where you got the idea that many russians were killed as estimates range from at least 64 to 400 russian regulars killed as compared to 300 to over 4000 georgian deaths.

[Technoelite]

well this is what i found on the Tavors website

Georgia

Since 2006 the Military of Georgia have entered into a $65 million supply agreement for approximately 7000 TAR-21 rifles (including different variants and grenade launchers). These guns are designated to replace the AK-74 derivatives that are currently in use by 7,850 special forces personnel. Officials report that 1,300 rifles have already been shipped.

It is also in limited use with Special Operation forces of India and Georgia

(from world guns website)

so common scenece dictates that after two years these must have been in service by the time this happend but they could have been stuck in a warehouse somewhere. Trying to find actual video evidence

secondly i dont trust wikipedia at all but it states in the list of wars the tavor has been in that this conflict was included in its comabt history

[[R-DEV]Nosferatu]

Originally Posted by Technoelite

so common scenece dictates that after two years these must have been in service by the time this happend but they could have been stuck in a warehouse somewhere. Trying to find actual video evidence

One thing having them in service and different thing having them in action. I've seen Georgian soldiers with AKs, M4s, G36Cs but not with TAR-21s. And we all seen Georgian army fled and left all this stuff. If there were any Tavors, they would be shown.

Originally Posted by SocketMan

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in case anyone wondered the letters say:

Vostok,Chechnya,Yamadaevtzi

That is a fully Chechen battalion called "Vostok" (east),that was fighting (with the Russians) against the Georgian army.

In case anyone wondered here's quotes from article about Chechen batallion "Vostok" actions in South Ossetia. Journalist spent 3 days with batallion during most fierce fightnings:

"9th August events almost led to loss of Tskhinval when Georgian troops entered the city. Georgian infantry units supported by 40 tanks began to fortify in southern blocks of South Ossetian capital. Situation was later acknowledged by Russian militants as critical because main forces of 58th army still not approached to Tskhinval after 24 hrs since combat phase have begun. Remains of S.Ossetian militia and russian peacekeepers prepared to last defence. But suddenly three MTLB army trucks and two "Kamaz" trucks of of chechen Specnaz "Vostok" under Sulim Yamadaev's command entered the city.







Sulim Yamadaev in person:


Chechen Specnaz began routine combat duties like "cleaning" blocks, hunting down Georgian snipers and artillery spotters. These actions became key for ongoing war. Opposing force, trained by NATO instructors, was unable to do anything with CQB masters from "Vostok". That's not dithyrambs to Yamadaev's troops but statement of facts. During three days I spent with "Vostok" only three Chechen soldiers were wounded but they killed dozens of Georgian soldiers and gained huge trophy.


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Tactically and physically high-trained Georgian militants fled in panic when came in contact with "Vostok". In Tskhinval Chechen Specnaz liberated civilians held in hostage by Georgain soldiers and recaptured three BTRs.



"We completely cleaned Tskhinval" - said Sulim Yamadaev - "On "Paook" heights our company captured two Georgian blockposts equiped with assault rifles, three MGs, two American humvees, RPGs and loads and ammo. We've got POWs. We have a task to move deep into Georgia and we could move on Tbilisi. It's interesting for us to fight with Georgian troops because of their different training school. Let's see who's fittest. Anyway, we can't just let'em go with what have been done when they wasted peacekeepers and civilians with firestorm. We shall provide order."

Morning, August 11th, "Vostok" troopers moved in column from Tskhinval to abandoned Georgian village Khetagurovo. Georgian assault jet was shot down right above the column after three SAM launches. Missile hit jet's tail and we've seen little white spot of parachute in the sky. Some sky duels happened during this war. For example, Russian MiG "punished" Georgian Su in the sky of former Georgian village Tamarasheni for bombing our column. Later, Georgian UAV was destroyed near Tskhinval.


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When our infantry took over retranslator height and began to fortify, Georgians tried to deploy 122mm D-30 howitzers. Those howitzers were blown away immediately by tank fire. Few kilometers away our reconaissance spottedGeorgian column from Kutaisi for aviation. After airstrike panic was overwhelming and Georgain reservists fled, 50 vehicles were left on the road in fire. Chechen Specnaz took positions 7 km away from Gori and waited for command to move further. Through the whole night "Vostok" ambushers captured fleeing Georgian soldiers. Tons of abandoned ammunition left on the ground: in few hours batallion troopers've found some AA launchers, 5 tanks, SPGs and assault rifles, ten trucks and some jeeps. We were absouletely sure about our capability to move on Tbilisi or even Batumi. There were no emotions, no ecstasy about "easy" war - Specnaz was just doing their job professionally and spoke not much about it. But commanders "on the top" decided mission accomplished and "Vostok" was moved out from conflict zone while in Tbilisi Georgian propaganda told people about refrigerator of Georgian soldier's heads cutted by raging Chechens because of their big casualties. Guys from batallion took it with laughs.



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[hiberNative]

Originally Posted by [MMC] Nosferatu

Opposing force, trained by NATO instructors, was unable to do anything with CQB masters from "Vostok". During three days I spent with "Vostok" only three Chechen soldiers were wounded but they killed dozens of Georgian soldiers and gained huge trophy.

are they really as good as russian propaganda claims? are there any videos of their drills on the web?

Georgian propaganda told people about refrigerator of Georgian soldier's heads cutted by raging Chechens

wtf!?

[[R-DEV]Nosferatu]

Originally Posted by hiberNative

are they really as good as russian propaganda claims? are there any videos of their drills on the web?

I don't know, maybe you should ask article's author, he saw that with his own eyes or maybe not. If you want to see their "drills", type Chechnya in You-Tube and watch videos from Chechen side of the war cause some of "Vostok" and "Zapad" troopers fought first and second Chechen campaigns against Russian army.

wtf!?

Nothing surprising, Saakashvili told people that Georgian army terminated Russian elite forces and now they slaughtering civilians in revenge.

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Originally Posted by hiberNative

are they really as good as russian propaganda claims? are there any videos of their drills on the web?

someone needs to brush up on their history, just the fact they are chechnyans adds a considerable amount of merit to the russian claims of their abilities in urban combat.

Battle of Grozny (1994-1995 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

no videos of drills but why ask for that when theres plenty of footage taken by the russians who fought them when they were little more than a militia?

YouTube Video

YouTube Video

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AT4??

[[R-MOD]Cp]

Maybe, But it I think its a RPG-26, I am not sure though.

[Waaah_Wah]

Originally Posted by [R-CON]Cp

Maybe, But it I think its a RPG-26, I am not sure though.

With English writing..?