Rifles of the future?

[[uBp]Irish]

Originally Posted by Spaz

The Magpul Masada looks like an ugly version of the scar

agreed.


or we can just say anything of the future is what HK is going to poop out.

seriously though, hk417/417 are going to be what the smart countries will use in the coming decades if they can get over their gay lobbyists, and realize the importance of this weapon.

[[R-CON]ZZEZ]

Originally Posted by 77SiCaRiO77

the weapon of the future its something similar to the g-11 , period.

It will certainly be like the G-11 and most likely bullup.
IIRC G-11's bullets couldn't penetrate a simple car door past 300 meters,

[[R-MOD]Bob_Marley]

Originally Posted by [uBp]Irish

agreed.


or we can just say anything of the future is what HK is going to poop out.

seriously though, hk417/417 are going to be what the smart countries will use in the coming decades if they can get over their gay lobbyists, and realize the importance of this weapon.

Eh...

No.

And the HK416 was proven to be less reliable than the XM8 in the US Army's dust chamber test, looks like squeezing a G36 into an M4 body caused a few niggles.

The HK416 is just an inferior weapon to the original platform designed as a sell out to the freakish belief seemingly held by the US armed forces that if something isn't shaped like an M16 its rubbish.

H&K have made no major innovations in the field of firearms since the cancellation of the G11.

The whole of their current long arms range are based either on the Roller Delayed Blowback system of the G3 (PSG-1, MP5, etc) or the Gas Piston of the AR-18 (UMP, G36, MP7, etc).

The only major advances in recent years have been in Belgium (PDW, foreward ejecting bullpups) and Russia (balanced automatics and the increased ROF of infantry's cased weapons) other than that its pretty much just been rehashing old systems.

Cased Ammunition has pretty much gone as far as it can go, aside from a bit of tinkering with the calibre and case length. Even these oh so advanced weapons are still, essentially, 40 year old designs.

The future is caseless. Not the G11 perhaps, but the next major move foreward in small arms will be a caseless bullpup rifle. With the caseless ammunition one of the (alleged) major problems of bullpups (ejection) is solved. It also reduces mechanical complexity, there by increasing reliability.

[creepinshadow24/7]

Future Weapon? here ya go!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...dvanced-wa.jpg

[Canadian4206]

Originally Posted by creepinshadow24/7

Future Weapon? here ya go!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...dvanced-wa.jpg

lol, can only dream

[Airs0ft_S0ldier11]

With bullpups you have a longer reloading time as compared with armalites where you can easier reload tactically and compatible with MOLLE which US uses now.

[Maxfragg]

@ creepinshadow24/7: funny concept but the M203 looks wrong on it, there are various better UGLs than this old thing, i would always prefere the AG36 over it (especially since it can be used with some munitions the M203 can't use and its faster to reload

[[R-MOD]KP]

Originally Posted by Sturnn

the sa80 at the moment even though its reliable and everything, its mostly made out of really hard plastic and half metal...

Just like any other assault rifle, in other words?

[cplgangster]

the L85A2 should stay i feel. There is nothing wrong with the A2 it just got a bad rep from the A1. At least the L85 hasnt got rails all over it. This rifle does look quite sexy aswell and defines the british army i think. Also the rifle drill just looks so good with this weapon i cant imagine it being done with some of the assault rifles i have seen.

[00SoldierofFortune00]

Originally Posted by [R-MOD]Bob_Marley

Eh...

No.

And the HK416 was proven to be less reliable than the XM8 in the US Army's dust chamber test, looks like squeezing a G36 into an M4 body caused a few niggles.

The HK416 is just an inferior weapon to the original platform designed as a sell out to the freakish belief seemingly held by the US armed forces that if something isn't shaped like an M16 its rubbish.

It doesn't matter if it jammed 100 more times, that doesn't make it a better weapon. It would be a better choice because it would save money and be compatible with the M4/M16 lower receivers and it would just need a longer barrel for the non-carbine variant. According to that report, the XM8 also only has a 400M effective range which is 100M less than the rest of the rifles. I know the XM8 has been tested in dirt/sand before (videos), but HK was the only one to do it during this test according to the video.

H&K have made no major innovations in the field of firearms since the cancellation of the G11.

The whole of their current long arms range are based either on the Roller Delayed Blowback system of the G3 (PSG-1, MP5, etc) or the Gas Piston of the AR-18 (UMP, G36, MP7, etc).

There doesn't need to be some major overhaul or innovation for a weapon to be a good weapon.

The future is caseless. Not the G11 perhaps, but the next major move foreward in small arms will be a caseless bullpup rifle. With the caseless ammunition one of the (alleged) major problems of bullpups (ejection) is solved. It also reduces mechanical complexity, there by increasing reliability.

The future is not bullpups, at least not for the US. All of the weapons in that competitions are pretty simple to break down and there is no reason to change a design (standard AR design) that has worked for over 30years. Why, because it looks cool or works 5% better in theory?


Also, no one should count on the military changing their standard ammunition anytime soon. The 5.56 is the choice of NATO, so why would the US want to suddenly go to a round that no one uses like the 6.8? The 5.56 is compatible with all the US and most NATO countries small arms. That would mean that the US would have two different rounds for the Light MG/SAW and the standard assault rifle. That doesn't make sense and is not practical or cost effective.

Originally Posted by Airs0ft_S0ldier11

With bullpups you have a longer reloading time as compared with armalites where you can easier reload tactically and compatible with MOLLE which US uses now.

Yep.