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Old 02-23-2008, 02:37 PM   #21

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I think the most effective method of attack for the WW2 tank would be to grab a mineplow, and ram the modern one. Then beat the crew to death with pieces of track when they come out to fight about who was at fault.

Genius.

Also, making their tank look like the flower-bus could help confuse the other tank crew, giving them time to get up to speed.
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Old 02-24-2008, 11:32 PM   #22
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Also, making their tank look like the flower-bus could help confuse the other tank crew, giving them time to get up to speed.
Oddball already did that.
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Old 02-25-2008, 02:59 AM   #23
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I would love to see a 4omm fire at a CR2 and see if it could penetrate. I think you could sit and fire 40mm at it all day and yeah you'd smashe the sights etc but i dont think you would penetrate the armour even if they did all hit the same spot. I think some WW2 tanks may have a chance against some newer tanks though, as someone said, technology hasnt really moved that far in 50 years, with the right ammunition and in the right spot it could go through.


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Old 02-25-2008, 03:45 PM   #24

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If you mean like penetration, I'd say no on the more modern tanks (Leo 2, LeClerc, C2, Abrams, T-80U, etc. etc.). I'm sure it could screw up tracks/optics/MGs, etc. though. Might penetrate armor on some of the earlier tanks (60s-80s/90s)


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Old 02-25-2008, 04:34 PM   #25

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Ultimately though, it does come down to command and control. Modern tanks, and modern armies, are so much more capable of finding and targeting enemy armor than they were in WWII that it would be very challenging for any historic tank to get the drop on them.
I´d say that is one area where a modern crew would find itself seriously behind. It might be the case that the modern armies have developed new technologies which enable them to target faster and such. But I still believe that if you could get a WW2 tank crew, say Wittman and his boys, in a modern tank most modern crews would be toast.
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About the 40mm thing, some Serbians tried it against a Danish Leo 1 back in '93.

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Old 02-25-2008, 05:11 PM   #27

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I don't know my WWII era tanks very well, but assuming they have a large enough cannon they would have a chance if, as bob said, they have a drop on the enemy. I imagine some of the monster tank hunters could seriously damage an M1 or C2 with a single round.

Ultimately though, it does come down to command and control. Modern tanks, and modern armies, are so much more capable of finding and targeting enemy armor than they were in WWII that it would be very challenging for any historic tank to get the drop on them.
I agree with BB611. If the Abrams lost communications with outside forces, and if the terrain was such that the Tiger was able to get in a shot from above or at the tracks, maybe just maybe, the tiger could immobilize or potentially neutralize the threat the abrams would pose.
This said, I'm going to bet on the Abrams


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Old 02-25-2008, 05:24 PM   #28

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About the 40mm thing, some Serbians tried it against a Danish Leo 1 back in '93.

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No, I guess you are right. I would however like to say that modern 40mm ammo is capable of being a serious threat to a MBT. I´m not saying it would destroy it unless luck played a huge part, but it could still damage it alot. I might be slightly biased, since I spent 15 months as a commander of a CV9040. That said I would still rather be in a LEO 2 when facing another tank.
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Old 02-26-2008, 03:10 AM   #29

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i seriously doubt a 40MM will hurt THAT MUCH a tank, if a WW2 105mm cant why a modern 40mm will ?

Leopard 2A6M, Challenger 2, Abrams TUSK... againts Panzer ? Panther ? Tiger ? ( the best WW2 tanks ) lool. If they fight they dont have even the most little chance to win against Modern armor... if they shoot on a "target practice" like MythBuster ( like modern use WW2 as target... ) i'm pretty sure they will do damage

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Old 02-26-2008, 08:34 AM   #30

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okay i about to blow one in for the ww2 guys here an di probably gonan get argued of the pitch but i gonna say it anyway. one WW2 which was desigend and used in smal numbers in 1945 about 4 months before the end of the war has a chance agaisnt a modern battle tank, and that was the british made Centurion tank, okay it saw a tiny bit of action in ww2 but has remianed in service in the Uk forces till the 80s, and is stil used by the IDF. DOtn bother checkign wikepdia i learnt this on a day otu to bovingtion tank museum. And this was the first tank where it had the modern era gun stablisation and it was cheap. It would have some chance especally agaisnt russian stuff. E.G Yom Kippur war 100 t55 taken out by two centurions. Yes i knwo the T55 wasen the best but you can see what i mean.



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