XM-8 Why not?

[creepinshadow24/7]

Originally Posted by Fatal1ty

weyy indeed, G36 and G3 are said to be EXTREMELY reliable weapons.

anyone think the M468 looks like the gun of killzone???

look:
M468:



killzone:



lol

that chick is fat

[Prydain]

Originally Posted by 00SoldierofFortune00

Not sure if you are in the USMC or not, but if you are and have fired the M16, you will know that it is real easy to shoot and most any Marine or Soldier could get a headshot or at least a mid bodyshot with it. I am not the best shooter with it and I can still get good groupings and shots from it.

The M4 especially is weak, the short muzzle is a real problem. If the US Army want a weapon as short as that and retain the stopping power and range of a normal rifle, they must go bullpup.

The M8 (Previously known as XM-8 ) was dropped for several reasons, probably because the of the size of the stock being so clumbersome. If anyone here has any official US documents regarding the issue that have been released it would give us the real answers in black and white.

[Viper5]

Originally Posted by Prydain

The M4 especially is weak, the short muzzle is a real problem. If the US Army want a weapon as short as that and retain the stopping power and range of a normal rifle, they must go bullpup.

The M8 (Previously known as XM-8 ) was dropped for several reasons, probably because the of the size of the stock being so clumbersome. If anyone here has any official US documents regarding the issue that have been released it would give us the real answers in black and white.

Did you just use "stopping power" while referring to the 5.56 NATO Round? God save us from the wrath of Kenwayy... The M4 suffers from the same problem as all 5.56 firing rifles: "They Suck"

[BloodBane611]

I leave the floor to kenwayy, but before that I will say that the one time I fired an AR-15 I garnered a simple opinion on it.

Peashooter.

Kenwayy, it's all yours.

[M1126 Stryker]

It is always like that when switching to a new rifle. Look at how we selected the M14, refused to adopt the AR15, and then later chose to adopt the AR15 for the whole Army with several modifications to the rifle and ammunition that made it less reliable.

The XM8 program did have an overheating problem (not as bad as some would tell you) but this could have been worked out even if the weight had to be increased slightly.

[Prydain]

Originally Posted by Viper5

Did you just use "stopping power" while referring to the 5.56 NATO Round? God save us from the wrath of Kenwayy... The M4 suffers from the same problem as all 5.56 firing rifles: "They Suck"

Oh god, don't submit to the 5.56 having zero stopping power, it may be designed to wound Russian conscripts but you would not be able to just brush off the effects. I agree the choice to adopt it is still provoked by bias as there where better coices. *cough*.303*cough*

You are probably mundane and only used to old weapons like the AR-15 but modern weapons like the G36 (not counting the shortened versions), TAR-21 and L85A2 which have long barrles adding minute additions of muzzle velocity.

[WNxKenwayy]

Originally Posted by Prydain

Oh god, don't submit to the 5.56 having zero stopping power, it may be designed to wound Russian conscripts but you would not be able to just brush off the effects. I agree the choice to adopt it is still provoked by bias as there where better coices. *cough*.303*cough*

You are probably mundane and only used to old weapons like the AR-15 but modern weapons like the G36 (not counting the shortened versions), TAR-21 and L85A2 which have long barrles adding minute additions of muzzle velocity.

Lulz. Does the 5.56mm have zero stopping power? No, you can always hit them in the head or heart, that will stop them. And they kind of twitch a bit when you hit someone anywhere else with one, so I guess they do 'stop' for like .1 seconds, of course then they keep coming/shooting.

The XM8 wasn't adopted, officially, because it wasn't a significant advance enough to warrant the money it would cost. Apparently massively more reliable isn't a worthwhile enough advancement. This could be largely due to the conflicts we are in currently could be considered 'short' fights (not week long attacks with little to no time for weapon maintenance).

As recent test have shown there is no doubt that the xm8 is a more reliable weapon than the m4, even in testing which would improve the m4's normal rubbish reliability.

The question now is, based on the official army statement, wtf kind of change would be enough to replace the m4/m16?

[M1126 Stryker]

Too much 5.56mm bashing around here. It is not that bad of a cartridge. In my opinion claims of hits being ineffective are over exaggerated.

I suppose a new design in the 6mm range could be better but it seems like the Army would rather wait until they can get this great leap they are looking for. I wish they would hurry up with it already.

[Ironcomatose]

Originally Posted by WNxKenwayy

Lulz. Does the 5.56mm have zero stopping power? No, you can always hit them in the head or heart, that will stop them. And they kind of twitch a bit when you hit someone anywhere else with one, so I guess they do 'stop' for like .1 seconds, of course then they keep coming/shooting.

The XM8 wasn't adopted, officially, because it wasn't a significant advance enough to warrant the money it would cost. Apparently massively more reliable isn't a worthwhile enough advancement. This could be largely due to the conflicts we are in currently could be considered 'short' fights (not week long attacks with little to no time for weapon maintenance).

As recent test have shown there is no doubt that the xm8 is a more reliable weapon than the m4, even in testing which would improve the m4's normal rubbish reliability.

The question now is, based on the official army statement, wtf kind of change would be enough to replace the m4/m16?

The day they find a gun that can take more RIS rails that the M4/M16.

[Prydain]

Originally Posted by M1126 Stryker

In my opinion claims of hits being ineffective are over exaggerated.

Exactly.