thermite verses abrams

[ExOps_Mercenary]

so it will do some good amount of damage to a mbt or could disable it.

but it's safe to say that terrorist aren't smart enough to use this stuff and also as long as they don't get a smart guys we are safe.

[D_LaMz]

Originally Posted by Skinwehr

It isn't an explosive like some people seem to think.

People seem to think that gunpowder is explosive, but it is not.
Also, thermite is fun in controlled environments.

[pasfreak]

Originally Posted by Skinwehr

For sabotage, yes, thermite will ruin a tank. Even a small ammount can be used to cause debilitating damage to things like the main gun. It can be used to weld hatches shut, delaying the tank from deployment. It can be used to destroy the tracks, again delaying it's deployment.

lol that would suck if you were inside the hatch and they welded it with thermite 0_o

[Guerra norte]

Originally Posted by D_LaMz

People seem to think that gunpowder is explosive, but it is not.

Clearly you don't even know what you're talking about because you can't even distinguish between Black powder and Gunpowder.
Gunpowder does not refer to any specific substance containing explosive and/or pyrotechnical properties, it could be any propellant used in a gun to propel a projectile, where as Black powder refers specifically to a specific pyrotechnical composition that has been used in the past as a Gunpowder.

Second, Black powder IS defined as an explosive, if you had any actual knowledge of what we're talking about here you would know that explosives are defined into two categories, number one being: High Order Explosives which is a chemical mass that detonates unconfined through either exposure to heat, shock, friction or sympathetic detonation, depending on what sub category they are in of course (primary/secondary/booster etc.)

Number two being; Low Order Explosives, which are propellants that cannot cause an explosion (not detonation) unconfined, these explosives need to be highly confined when ignited to cause an explosion that has a super sonic pressure wave (not shock wave like HE), although there are Flash powders that can cause self-confinement and 'detonate', these are most commonly defined technically as Low Order and by law as High Order.
So as you can see, propellants such as Black powder are defined as an explosive, a Low Order Explosive.

In case some still don't get in; Thermite, when exposed to a flame of sufficient temperature to ignite the Aluminum, the Iron Oxide will release oxygen that'll continuously feed the Al to burn leaving behind molten Iron as a bi product.
This is the same way a propellant burns (reducer burns--oxidizer releases oxygen--reducer feeds off Oxygen--repeat) by deflageration , that does not mean Thermite is an explosive, but an incendiary.

[D_LaMz]

Originally Posted by Guerra norte

all of that stuff by you...

When I meant gunpowder, I meant modern smokeless powder,cordite, pyrodex and blackpowder that is to be used in a firearm.

Originally Posted by Randy Wakeman

(In actuality, blackpowder does not explode in blackpowder firearms. There is a pressure curve.)

Originally Posted by Old_Painless

The one on the left is a round from the Indian ammo factory in Dum-Dum India.

The middle one is a round of WRA, loaded with Ball powder, surprisingly.

The one on the right is from the Royal Laboratory in Woolwich Kent, England.

It was loaded with the Cordite that you can see there.
You can also see the small piece of cardboard that covered the Cordite.




I just had to see how this stuff burned, so I took one piece and held it with a pair of pliers and lit it with a match.

Here it is burning.

I timed it and it took about 5 seconds for the piece to burn from one end to the other.

Like other powders, if it is not confined, it burns fairly slowly.

Of course, if it is contained in a chamber, it burns quickly.

Also the BATF puts gunpowder as a low explosive, which means it won't blow your hands off! If gunpowder would explode, why would we use it in firearms then? Since it will destroy the receivers and barrels.

Hope that clears this mess up.

[Guerra norte]

You didn't read my post at all did you.....

[pasfreak]

this is a good thread that needs to be renamed.

[D_LaMz]

Originally Posted by Guerra norte

You didn't read my post at all did you.....

Yes I did, in short, you said that it detonates, I showed that it burns.

[Guerra norte]

Read .........it .........again..............!

[Skinwehr]

Guerra:

I am well aware of what thermite is. I have used it myself. I know exactly what it is made from and how much of what to use. Your knowledge is spot on too. Is this knowledge from books or experience?

And you don't have to be so damn defensive about it. I never addressed you! You could have said all you said, and corrected people, without all the: "you don't get it"..., and "if you had actual knowledge"... and "please refrain from"... and "clearly you don't"... Such conjecture will often bely one's knowledge and come across as ignorant ramblings.

That said, I never said I was specifically referring to you. I was refering to people in general; Most of whom have never handled explosives or incendiaries in their lives.

Thermite is often touted as being "five thousand degrees" and "can sear through the deck of an aircraft carrier" and is generally described as something akin to an explosive on TV. I was attempting to dispell some myths and cloudy areas such suplerative could muster.

Obviously the point of this thread was to explore the feasibility of implementing thermite into the game we all enjoy. It is helpful for those who have accurate knowledge to advise about the limitations of thermite, and also to suggest practical applications of it. It is useless to come across with a "I read the whole anarchist cookbook ( or poor man's james bond) from cover to cover you noobs!" attitude.

That said. There may not be a practical application of thermite in game. Tankers carry thermite grenades in case their tank is disabled, so they can destroy their hard drives with it. We don't need that in game. And welding seems like it would be outside the game engine's capability.

Perhaps as a way to disable enemy artillery and commander assets in such a way that they cannot be repaired. As opposed to blowing them up. Thermite looks pretty when it's deployed. That's one reason I'd love to see it in game.