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Old 08-25-2005, 12:29 AM   #1

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US Army accelerates search for Humvee replacement

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Designs in motion for new combat vehicles
By Steven Komarow, USA TODAY
When the Humvee replaced the jeep 20 years ago, the military wanted better basics: a strong engine and more capable off-road suspension.

U.S. soldiers in an armored cavalry regiment stand by a Humvee during an explosives search near Baghdad Sunday.
By Liu Jin, AFP/Getty Images

Now, as the Pentagon speeds its search for a Humvee replacement, those basics — along with better armor — still count. But the modern military, like American motorists, wants vehicles laden with electronics, air conditioning and other options now considered critical to battlefield performance. (Related: Replacements sought)

Not only must the Humvee replacement better defend troops from bomb blasts, it must:

• Support built-in computers and Global Positioning System and communications gear, instead of the welded-on brackets and tangles of wires in Humvees.

• Allow streamlined maintenance procedures, such as electronic engine diagnosis and easier repairs with fewer tools.

• Produce enough electricity not only for its own systems, but for powering future add-ons, such as energy-beam weapons or field command posts.

• Have built-in fire extinguishing systems.

Some of these concepts are finding their way onto the Humvee chassis, which will continue to serve for years after a successor begins to arrive as early as 2008, said Lt. Col. Stuart Rogers, transportation division chief of the Army Combined Arms Support Center. If none of the competing prototype replacements is successful in tests starting next year, Humvee production could continue indefinitely.

The military owns more than 120,000 Humvees, and thousands more were bought by other countries. The vehicle comes in dozens of configurations, including ambulances, anti-tank missile launchers and satellite ground stations.

Craig MacNab, director of public relations for the manufacturer, AM General, says his company has designed a new generation Humvee. "The original design of the Humvee was a revolutionary concept," he says, and has been improved continuously.

Recent versions include a Humvee with a hybrid-electric drivetrain for improved mileage and the ability to run almost silently for tactical surprise.

Competitors on the new vehicle say technology has moved on since Humvee design work began in 1979. "With the Humvee, if you want to generate power out there, you've got to bring along a trailer," says Roy Wiley, spokesman for International Truck and Engine. International's drive train would double as a standing generator, he says.

The Office of Naval Research is sponsoring for the Marines a concept vehicle called the Ultra Armored Patrol at Georgia Tech. The Ultra, to be unveiled next month, includes a NASCAR-inspired "blast bucket" inner shell to protect troops. Jeff Bradel, the ONR's vehicle project officer, says the Humvee was designed as a utility vehicle first, but the next generation must be armored from the start.

Rogers says it's too early to say what the Humvee successor would cost. A basic Humvee is about $75,000 now, but armor and other Iraq necessities more than double the price.
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Vehicle evolution

U.S. military vehicles' past, present and future:

The jeep

First used during World War II; entered into service in 1941

Could be adapted to pump air or water, haul a half-ton or cross water up to 40 inches deep

Used for reconnaissance and cross-country travel

Name is believed to be an abbreviation of "general purpose" vehicle

The Humvee

Short for High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle, or HMMWV

Entered into service in 1985

Capable of supporting payloads up to 5,300 pounds, depending on model

Can be transported by and dropped from aircraft

Can be configured to carry troops, arms or shelter

The future

Military leaders are looking for a Humvee replacement that includes:

More protection for troops

A stronger suspension that can bear the weight of armor

Better mileage

Improved onboard power to handle an expanding array of electronics

Sources: National Museum of the U.S. Air Force, GlobalSecurity.org and USA TODAY research

2008 = when PR is set, right? I think we may have to come up with a new vehicle here, just maybe.

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Old 08-25-2005, 12:37 AM   #2
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i dont think PR has an official timeline yet.... unless i missed something, which is entirely possible.

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Old 08-25-2005, 12:43 AM   #3

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I hope a hybrid electric engine is a serious contender. That would be great for scout vehicles including armor. Accoustical stealth can be just as good as the other kinds in the right cases.
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Old 08-25-2005, 12:52 AM   #4
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not to mention it increases their range and decreases the cost of upkeep (assuming the engine requires the same maitenance as a standard engine) because it wont need as much gas.

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Old 08-25-2005, 11:47 AM   #5

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and saves the Ozone too.

"Incoming fire has the rigth of way"...........

"never share a foxhole with anyone braver than you are"
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Old 08-25-2005, 12:12 PM   #6

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If PR is set in 2008 then the Brits should get this instead of the Landrover:



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http://www.army-technology.com/projects/future/


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and saves the Ozone too.
Wow, a vehicle without CFCs! Revolutionary!
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Old 08-25-2005, 01:18 PM   #7

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looks like the hummer H2 lol


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Old 08-25-2005, 01:32 PM   #8

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very nice wheel caps.....

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Old 08-25-2005, 03:09 PM   #9

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very nice wheel caps.....
Believe it or not, those were part of the military specifications that went out to competing companies.

"The wheel caps must look, like, totally l337. Also, give it a cool name, like, I dunno, The Flamerider, or something."

Later, they changed the name to Panther.
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Old 08-25-2005, 04:03 PM   #10

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I say we go with that, but thats just me...

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