China's first aircraft carrier on sea trials

[Jolly]

Originally Posted by [R-DEV]Rhino

But I don't know where you have heard this inflammation of China adopting CATOBAR from which is required for any type of catapult? Last time I checked the Shi Lang still had its ski-jump on the front, which can only be used in STOBAR or STOVL configuration, and that carrier was originally designed to be STOBAR and the J-15 carrier aircraft the Chinese are building is rumored to be based on the Su-33, which is a STOBAR aircraft?

It might be our 3rd carrier, nuclear powered, with Catapult.
But the some core technologies are the problem. (Every Chinese military otaku knows it and discuss it over and over, including possible solutions.) I got this news from "BAIDU" news section, sometimes news from there are not reliable.

J-15 is the copy of Su-33 for sure,(They bought T10K from Ukraine) and PLA combined it with their own technologies, J-15 and Su-33 might look the same at last.
Here is another uncomfired message: J-20 might be onboard too.

All of those messages are found from "BAIDU".

[[R-DEV]Rhino]

Can't see how the J-20 could even fit on a carrier, let alone take off

http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...x-shinshin.jpg

Length:
J-20: 21.3m
F-35C: 15.7m
F-35B: 15.6m
F/A-18E/F: 18.3m

Width:
J-20: 12.9m
F-35C: 13.1m (9.1m folded wingspan)
F-35B: 10.7m
F/A-18E/F: 13.6m (has folding wings)

[Jolly]

Originally Posted by [R-DEV]Rhino

Can't see how the J-20 could even fit on a carrier, let alone take off

http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...x-shinshin.jpg

Length:
J-20: 21.3m
F-35C: 15.7m
F-35B: 15.6m
F/A-18E/F: 18.3m

Width:
J-20: 12.9m
F-35C: 13.1m (9.1m folded wingspan)
F-35B: 10.7m
F/A-18E/F: 13.6m (has folding wings)

LOL, They are resizing it, making it smaller.
But I think J-15 is one much logical option yet.

[[R-DEV]Ninja2dan]

So is this thing still floating, or did they turn it into an artificial reef yet?

[[R-COM]MaSSive]

You just never know what Chinese are cooking. This partially answers it why some people are afraid of them.

And oh my wouldn't that EM field cause trouble with radars and stuff like that. So much electromagnetic resonance can severely screw up instruments, and make carriers easy detected by early warning radar systems? I hope they thought of that one.

[[R-DEV]Rhino]

Originally Posted by Jolly

LOL, They are resizing it, making it smaller.

I can't think of a single CTOL aircraft that has been converted to carrier use that is significantly smaller than the orignal CTOL version?

This isn't 3DsMax where you can just select the jet and use the scale tool hehe. Significant parts like engines, weapon bays, cockpit etc all need to stay the same size and other parts have to be significantly re-designed to be smaller.

Your better off making a brand new jet from scratch.

[Jolly]

Originally Posted by [R-DEV]Rhino

I can't think of a single CTOL aircraft that has been converted to carrier use that is significantly smaller than the orignal CTOL version?

This isn't 3DsMax where you can just select the jet and use the scale tool hehe. Significant parts like engines, weapon bays, cockpit etc all need to stay the same size and other parts have to be significantly re-designed to be smaller.

Your better off making a brand new jet from scratch.

I said, it's not confirmed, maybe a rumor at last.
And Aircraft research facility in Shenyang and chengdu is possibly designing the smaller J-20.(Still unconfirmed.)
Here is the original post:
"前段时间报道，‘成飞’研制歼—20（比F—22都大不少）和‘沈飞’正在研制的歼—20缩小版，不排除 歼—20缩小版会上舰的可能。 "
But don't expect J-20 and our carrier will be good, there is long way to catch up the United States.

[Panzerfire]

Originally Posted by Jolly

I live in China, and it's human rights record is not that bad, mate.
But shady regimes is one long live topic among China!

Yeah, without competition, our civilization wont get progress!

Just mentioning a small set of reasons of why the west mistrust China so much. H.sta is right 'though, political debate in the PR forums has been.... let's called it "outlawed".

If you like we could discuss it in the separate News and Political debate forum here: News and Political Debate - Index page
(Which btw, we should get more serious in keeping it active. We oughta try promoting the website a little here and around the web).

[Jolly]

Originally Posted by Panzerfire

Just mentioning a small set of reasons of why the west mistrust China so much. H.sta is right 'though, political debate in the PR forums has been.... let's called it "outlawed".

If you like we could discuss it in the separate News and Political debate forum here: News and Political Debate - Index page
(Which btw, we should get more serious in keeping it active. We oughta try promoting the website a little here and around the web).

LOL, I'll lost the debate because I am so silly to talk about politics, but I'd love to share my thoughts and translate thoughts from our grounp.

[Panzerfire]

Well if you want you can sign up right there. That forum was made to replace the Political debate subforum that got closed here.