whining wimps

[SiN|ScarFace]

Pointing rifles at the Mexicans trying to sneak in, you know real border security like they do on the Iraq/Iran border.

[Darkpowder]

That actor clearly has no idea about victorians talking about war, every soldier from then to now fights for his mate next to him far more than the crown or cause or his officer. The pride of regiments is a powerful thing, but victorians always talk about all aspects of war.

Then, they had poetry now we have helmet cams, blogs and a widespread literate press and population.

Here is a classic victorian poem about war, clearly folk were thinking about dieing, like every soldier does and probably drives it to the back of his mind so he can do his best and make sure his mates survive too.

Robert Brooke
- the Soldier.

If I should die, think only this of me:
That there's some corner of a foreign field
That is for ever England. There shall be
In that rich earth a richer dust concealed;
A dust whom England bore, shaped, made aware,
Gave, once, her flowers to love, her ways to roam,
A body of England's, breathing English air,
Washed by the rivers, blest by suns of home.

And think, this heart, all evil shed away,
A pulse in the eternal mind, no less
Gives somewhere back the thoughts by England given;
Her sights and sounds; dreams happy as her day;
And laughter, learnt of friends; and gentleness,
In hearts at peace, under an English heaven.

[[R-COM]TheScot666]

That was post Victorian, under George V or someone, based on the First World War. However a poem that could be said to be a whiner is
Dolce et decorum est...

Search it on google, it will have it. Its also WW1 however is an extremely powerful poem.

[Amek]

I don't think Victorian soldiers were any less afraid to die than modern soldiers. They were normal people, and I expect that also some of them were whiners. It probably was a lot easier to silence them back then.

[ArmedDrunk&Angry]

I'm sure the UK forces are as stoic as anyone can be, stiff upper lip etc, but don't you think those guys back then were a little tougher, mentally if not physically ?

[[R-DEV]Masaq]

Originally Posted by TheScot666

Doing what in your border?

Weeding, I assume. Or squishing aphids or something. Either way, something more productive than getting shot at by foreigners?

Originally Posted by ArmedDrunk&Angry

I'm sure the UK forces are as stoic as anyone can be, stiff upper lip etc, but don't you think those guys back then were a little tougher, mentally if not physically ?

Not so sure on that one. Large number of British troops from the Peninsula campaign onwards were recruited straight out of prisons and poorhouses and basically given the option of fight or rot in penury. The pay was crap, the discipline was harsh and it was a bloody hard life. Hundreds of troops would desert during each campaign in the hope of either escaping the military full time or just having better treatment on the other side.

I'm sure the general population were mentally tougher - you put up with shit conditions because that was how life was, but I don't think the basic grunt in the armed forces was serving out of any great love or call of duty, it was more that it was one of the least-worst alternatives in life.

[Sir. Slug]

Obviously taking up the hoop so many times has clouded his judgement. He doesn't know what he is talking about.

[[R-DEV]Undies]

I would like to know where he gets his opinions though, having been around a few soldiers now, people of course complain about going away for 6 months, anybody would. But it is a professional army of 100% people who volunteered to take the Queen's shilling.

They all know exactly what they are involved in, and the whining is normally over general complaints, which every trade or profession has, its just that within the armed forces these gripes can grow arms and legs as you are in the public eye with some journalist sat on your knee.

[WNxKenwayy]

Originally Posted by SiN|ScarFace

Pointing rifles at the Mexicans trying to sneak in, you know real border security like they do on the Iraq/Iran border.

Posse Comitatus Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

kkthx

Congress could approve it, but never would. Sooooooo...how would us whimps be better put to use again? Keep in mind, that the tried and true adage "I'd rather them shoot at me over here, than you back there" rings very true even today.

One of my most cherished memories, taking from something I heard on line, was being called a child killer in a college town near post. I look the guy right in the eye, told him "I'm willing to die for you" and kept on walking.

[SiN|ScarFace]

Originally Posted by WNxKenwayy

Posse Comitatus Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

kkthx

Congress could approve it, but never would. Sooooooo...how would us whimps be better put to use again? Keep in mind, that the tried and true adage "I'd rather them shoot at me over here, than you back there" rings very true even today.

One of my most cherished memories, taking from something I heard on line, was being called a child killer in a college town near post. I look the guy right in the eye, told him "I'm willing to die for you" and kept on walking.

I know about the Posse Comitatus Act, but then what was the National Guard doing in New Orleans during Katrina, taking guns and patrolling the streets? Exception to the rule because of an emergency? The same could apply to millions of people illegally crossing the border. So is it ok to use them as police in a Hurricane but not protecting the border from an invasion?

What does being called a child killer have to do with me? Because you are willing to PERSONALLY die for people who talk crap to you? Did you swear an oath to die for people? Or to protect this nations constitution? It really doesn't matter which because either way it's being twisted.