New Canadian defense Strategy

[SiN|ScarFace]

Originally Posted by Canadian4206

Why you say that?

Well now that Canada has changed and you guys are part of the crusades now, might as well buy all that new tech. You can be our side kicks in death and destruction. Ameri-Can phuck yea!

[Hotrod525]

Originally Posted by SiN|ScarFace

Well now that Canada has changed and you guys are part of the crusades now, might as well buy all that new tech. You can be our side kicks in death and destruction. Ameri-Can phuck yea!

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[Canadian4206]

Originally Posted by SiN|ScarFace

Well now that Canada has changed and you guys are part of the crusades now, might as well buy all that new tech. You can be our side kicks in death and destruction. Ameri-Can phuck yea!

Actually if you read the news, Afghanistan. Mostly in particular Khandahar (Where the Canadian's are) is becoming into a much more stable country. Infact there are a lot of places in Khandahar, and in Afghanistan where the Canadian Forces and NATO have done some reconstruction projects and have not recieved a ounce of hostility for months, and that is still counting. Once those are finished, our efforts can be focused on other parts that need it and they will follow the same footsteps. Countries are not built in a day. There is death, and there is destruction. That is war, but there is far too much good being done to even be focusing on the bad parts. Afghanistan is not Iraq, Iraq is a bloody mess and that is where the true death and destruction is at. NATO has done a good job in Afghanistan so far. That can always change, but Afghanistan is not what it was when we first arrived. Canada has gotten much praise by the U.S. and NATO for our efforts in Khandahar. The most violent region in Afghanistan has had many signs of getting stable.

Still, you must not know your Canada history. Because it was our NATO obligation to enter the war. Before Afghanistan, Canada did nothing but UN Peacekeeping missions, and humanitarian work. If Canada is either finding them in a sticky situation like Afghanistan ever again, or doing a UN Operation. It is better having the Canadian Forces better equiped then having them equiped with the cheapest things you can find. I bet that Canada would face less casualties if they only gave there soldiers the proper equipment that they deserve. They give them the best they can recieve with there current funding but they can't turn a penny into a quarter. They can't afford the top notch equipment that requires a budget like the U.S.'s.

Don't the Canadian Forces deserve better equipment?

[[R-PUB]Viper5]

Originally Posted by Canadian4206

Why you say that?

Because we all know that if Canada faced any danger, the US would protect Canada in the interest of protecting itself.

Oil for Protection will be the alliance motto of the future.

Although all in all they're not bad. I'd rather see Canada find a suitable attack chopper (Cobra would be a nice fit) rather than get new F35s. The F18 works fine for Canada's purposes. Will it be the F35A or B?

[Canadian4206]

Originally Posted by Viper5

Because we all know that if Canada faced any danger, the US would protect Canada in the interest of protecting itself.

Oil for Protection will be the alliance motto of the future.

So Canada should not develope it's own Military, because the U.S. has our back because we have oil? You know that's saying Canada is U.S's bitch right lol.

Anyways, Canada has different views then America and we don't always agree with each other and we don't always follow the same path. Whenever America gets into a new war, we either choose to enter it or not. Wether U.S. would choose to backup Canada or not is not as simple as saying it is so because there has not been a chance to see if they would. Canada has not started a war, to give the U.S. a chance to prove that.

What happens when Canada finds itself alone in its own operations (Which we do a lot of). Canada is no weak link, we don't require the U.S. to be our body guards. It's nice to have, and we appreciate the U.S. for helping us if we ever needed it, as we would do the same like with your national disasters. We helped you out but seriously, name one ocasion where the U.S. has had to bail Canada out of a war. Canada stands for Canada, and we can and want to defend ourselves, which we do. However, like any other country. The ability to do so, depends on your military budget. U.S. spends the most money on there military, so they got tech out of there ass's. Which can also afford to house many soldiers, and pay for there services.

U.S. Soldiers have taken a serious ammount of casualties in this war, why? Because for some reason the U.S. Government denied there soldiers the proper armor protection, and protection period that they deserved. Which they already had. I mean if you are running around in Hummers, with no armor protection on it. You are more then likely to get killed by a stray bullet in which you are always being shot at. very slim chances of driving down a street, getting ambushed and actually surviving. That is basicly the position of the Canadian Forces. Except they just simply can't afford the proper protection they deserve, and the proper equipment on there current military budget. If they increased it, they could get everything they deserve which can save Canadian lives. So let me ask the question again. Why is it a waste?

[[R-PUB]Viper5]

Im not saying its a complete waste. Im saying some things are a waste, such as the F35s which could be better used on more transport helos or some attack helos.

You also mention pretection in the above mpost, but not in the original.

* 65 new F35II ( supported by our 100's of CF18 )
* 15 Brand new Destroyers/Frigates
* New Helicopters ( Chinook [Army] + Merlin [S.A.R.] + Cyclone [Navy] )
* New Costal Patrol Vessel
* increasing surveillance at borders
* renew aerial hunting
* 11 000 new soldiers +
* 100 Leopard 2A6M-Can (Already purchase)
* 4 C17 GlobeMaster (Already purchase)

No where here is anything that would protect a soldier as you are speaking (vehicle armor, body armor)
But yes, we all know the US would protect Canada for several reasons.

1. In all probability it would spill into Alaska, in which case we'd get involved
2. Canada is the US' primary trading partner as well as one of its closest allies.
3. Having a hostile enemy along 3,000 miles of border isnt exactly our preferred brand of vodka.

[Canadian4206]

Oh no doubt U.S. would probally backup Canada, but all I am saying is there has never been a opertunity to show that so you can't really say that is what is going to happen. The U.S. is Canada's best trading partner, and we don't always backup the U.S. in wars, or other things. Both the U.S. Economy, and the Canadian economy depend on each other so I don't really think we would ever go to war with each other, but war and disagreeing are a completly different thing. U.S. and Canada has always had many fights with each other and arguements about many subjects, wars, health care, even vitamins lol. It never goes to a point of hostility.

I do however know that if Canada ever faced a national disaster. The U.S. would definetly help out. That's for sure, as Canada has already helped the U.S. with there national disasters and will continue to do so. War is a sensative subject. Can't always determin whos on your side. Take Iraq and Afghanistan for example, Bush really thought he would get the full support of NATO on both them but he is currently struggling to find enough help from everybody to complete it. Some just plain said no, others decided to say yes but decided to stay in the non-hostile zones and wait it out.

Truethfully as well, I don't think Canadians really expected that we would get involved either. As it has always been a pattern for us to deny wars that was not supported and cleared by the U.N.

However, I read a article that the one trouble Canada faces right now is the lack of troop commitment that is being recieved. Canada has to defend such a big area, with such a small force. All we asked was that NATO contribute a additional 1000 troops to the area, and additional transport choppers or we would pull out. I believe that was already met by the U.S.

However this additional budget, would increase our troop size so we can complete our mission in Kandahar much better. With the additional, and better equipment. Will also make it much more efficiant, and will also save Canadian lives.

We also have to protect our Artic Soviernty. If we don't protect our artic borders, and make a presence there. A military presence. That would show the world that Canada is not prepared to defend its own borders, or doesn't deserve the riches of the artic and will be transformed into international waters. Allowing foreign ships, even military ones to get ever so close to Canada. Uncomfortably close. U.S. would never have allowed that to happen, neither would any other country. I really think U.S. should support Canada on that soviernty, because not only will that benefit the Canadian economy, but will also benefit the American economy also everybody else.

Only way to secure that soviernty, is to build up our military and make a presence and tell everybody else that our Canadian land is not up for grabs.

[Canadian4206]

Originally Posted by Viper5

Im not saying its a complete waste. Im saying some things are a waste, such as the F35s which could be better used on more transport helos or some attack helos.

You also mention pretection in the above mpost, but not in the original.




No where here is anything that would protect a soldier as you are speaking (vehicle armor, body armor)
But yes, we all know the US would protect Canada for several reasons.

1. In all probability it would spill into Alaska, in which case we'd get involved
2. Canada is the US' primary trading partner as well as one of its closest allies.
3. Having a hostile enemy along 3,000 miles of border isnt exactly our preferred brand of vodka.

Actually a 30B additional budget would very much ensure the protection of the Canadian Forces. Go look at some of the articles I posted on this forums. So far the Canadian Government is persueing two advanced tech's that not every military is going to have the opertunity to have. Basicly, one is a version of America's Land Warrior system. Not the same one, or a copy of it. Just the same principle. Combining all systems into one, allowing Commanders to keep track of where there soldiers are and to keep a eye on there status like life status. To tell if they have been injured, or if they are dieing, etc.

Another is basicly a Iron Man type suit, which will allow the troops to carry heavy loads without much restraint. I mean, with all the weight they got to carry, you can't really run that fast or dodge action fast. That would allow the soldiers to get out of the way of action, and into cover faster. Allowing them to avoide danger. Also that budget can increase our Airfoce's potential, allowing them to have much better Air Support which in battle will save many soldiers lives. I constantly read articles of soldiers, a lot of the time Special Forces groups who get caught into really intense action that they require heavy air support to get them out of the jam.

I can go on forever with that. A bigger budget can do wonders regarding the soldiers.

[carld2002]

Nice!

I am going to be going to RMC starting this summer.

Unfortunately, I got into the land forces and not the air but it's not too bad at all. I am probably going to be an armored officer so this will definately affect me.

I also hope to someday switch over to a pilot position (anyone know what the chances of being able to do that are?)

I am counting down the days till I ship out to basic officer training.

Also, Just so you know, Canada doesn't have hundreds of F-18's. We origionally bought around 99. Many of those are retired or in for maintenence. I think we only have 60-80 flying.

[Igloo35]

i think its good that we are building and starting to research our own tech. creating jobs, strengthening our military

and trying to avoid giving our tax dollars to firms outside of the country when possible.