Raid in Iraq that killed 4 soldiers may be boldest yet

X3DChris · 01-28-2007, 04:38 PM

BAGHDAD, IRAQ — In perhaps the boldest and most sophisticated attack in four years of warfare, gunmen speaking English, wearing U.S. military uniforms and carrying American weapons abducted four U.S. soldiers last week at the provincial headquarters in the Shiite holy city of Karbala and then shot them to death.

The U.S. military confirmed a report earlier Friday by the Associated Press that three of the soldiers were dead and one was mortally wounded with a gunshot to the head when they were found in a neighboring province, about 25 miles from the compound where they were captured. A fifth soldier was killed in the initial attack on the compound.

The new account contradicted a U.S. military statement Jan. 20, the day of the raid on an Iraqi governor's office, that five soldiers were killed "repelling" the attack.

In a statement issued late Friday, the military said two of the soldiers were handcuffed together in the back seat of a sport utility vehicle near the southern Iraqi town of Mahawil. A third dead soldier was on the ground nearby. The fourth died on the way to the hospital.

The brazen assault, 50 miles south of Baghdad, was conducted by nine to 12 gunmen posing as a U.S. security team, the military confirmed. The attackers traveled in black GMC Suburbans — the type used by U.S. government convoys — had American weapons, wore new U.S. military combat fatigues, and spoke English, according to senior U.S. military and Iraqi officials.

None of the U.S. or Iraqi officials would allow use of their names because of the sensitive nature of the information.

source http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...d/4503883.html
some editorial on the subject http://www.chris-floyd.com/

~~ArmedDrunk&Angry~~ · 01-28-2007, 05:35 PM

A senior Iraqi military official said the sophistication of the attack led him to think it was the work of Iranian agents in conjunction with Iraq's Shiite Mahdi Army militia, which Iran funds, arms and trains.

But we should listen to Baker and negiotiate with the Iranians .....right ?
This means they are losing and they know it.
The Iranians are testing our will and escalating the conflict to support the Dems effort to cut and run.
The Iranians are going to put everything they have into the next 6-8 months to push the image of the war as a losing battle.
We will start capturing more and more Iranian mil advisors as we go into the summer and watch how the media portrays them as concerned citizens who joined the insuregency out of a sense of duty, rather than the truth.
We have gotten another Vietnam echo here as a third nation is beginning to have troops on the ground in this conflict.
Can we expect to see Iranian flags at the peace protests now ?

X3DChris · 01-28-2007, 05:40 PM

Nothing would make Chenney and company happier if this was true so they could start there next theater of war .

The_motivator · 01-29-2007, 01:51 AM

nothing would make you happier either.

after all, what would you bitch about then?

SiN|ScarFace · 01-31-2007, 12:03 PM

No doubt that was Iranians. Things like this only give us an excuse to expand the war.

The_motivator · 01-31-2007, 12:57 PM

i used to be all for diplomacy, fairness, and giving people a chance. Right about now, i'm starting to think that glassing the area may be a better choice.

Top_Cat_AxJnAt · 01-31-2007, 04:29 PM

This is a terribly shocking story, and clearly shows how Western Militaries must never underestimate the """"average"""" human!
I feel very sorry for botht he soldiers, their families and their friends, ever more so, due to the nature of the attack.

glassing, and what may that be now?
In my view, diplomancy shoudl be used to the max, the point where the enemy troop are by your countries borders or similar!
Only then can a war be even considered possibly "just" or "right" or more reasonalby a "neccessary", before that, in my op, it is just a crime.

Cerberus · 01-31-2007, 05:52 PM

Iran needs a few thousand JDAMs to the face

tHa_KhAn · 01-31-2007, 06:40 PM

It's funny, in countries with less prevelant media sources(like Iran or Iraq) you expect the people there to believe the only story/information they receive Funny thing is, the same thing happens here in the US, but by choice. People choose a media/information outlet that suites their agenda or desires and makes no effort to examine alternate opinions.

Example:
If Jack Black is funny, then Jack Black is smart. If Jack Black is smart, then I must follow his political views.

Wipeout · 01-31-2007, 07:59 PM

Interesting.. I honestly believe the Iranians need to be dealt with face to face.. With a couple thousand JDAMs pointing in there face.. These partied talks don't work obviously. Yes you will see an increase in violence from now till the 08 elections.. Trying to get the American public against the Conflict in Iraq. Hell the 30,000 americans that anti-war protested in DC the other week spit on and threw rocks at american veterans that were anti-anti-war protesting(as the news explained, by anti-anti I mean, they were marching peacefully in support of the war and the troops). Which I think is asinine and if I had the chance I would bitch slap and shoot every single one of those 30,000 people. There a disgrace to the American population and are hurting the military personell.. I hope and pray(I'm not a religious person) that this shit doesn't turn into another Vietnam in the way American troops were greeted on the way back to the states..

\Execute SupportCoalitionTroops.exe

01-28-2007, 04:38 PM	#1
X3DChris Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 434	Raid in Iraq that killed 4 soldiers may be boldest yet BAGHDAD, IRAQ — In perhaps the boldest and most sophisticated attack in four years of warfare, gunmen speaking English, wearing U.S. military uniforms and carrying American weapons abducted four U.S. soldiers last week at the provincial headquarters in the Shiite holy city of Karbala and then shot them to death. The U.S. military confirmed a report earlier Friday by the Associated Press that three of the soldiers were dead and one was mortally wounded with a gunshot to the head when they were found in a neighboring province, about 25 miles from the compound where they were captured. A fifth soldier was killed in the initial attack on the compound. The new account contradicted a U.S. military statement Jan. 20, the day of the raid on an Iraqi governor's office, that five soldiers were killed "repelling" the attack. In a statement issued late Friday, the military said two of the soldiers were handcuffed together in the back seat of a sport utility vehicle near the southern Iraqi town of Mahawil. A third dead soldier was on the ground nearby. The fourth died on the way to the hospital. The brazen assault, 50 miles south of Baghdad, was conducted by nine to 12 gunmen posing as a U.S. security team, the military confirmed. The attackers traveled in black GMC Suburbans — the type used by U.S. government convoys — had American weapons, wore new U.S. military combat fatigues, and spoke English, according to senior U.S. military and Iraqi officials. None of the U.S. or Iraqi officials would allow use of their names because of the sensitive nature of the information. source http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...d/4503883.html some editorial on the subject http://www.chris-floyd.com/
X3DChris Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 434	. Go Ron Paul http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=0

01-28-2007, 05:40 PM	#3
X3DChris Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 434	Nothing would make Chenney and company happier if this was true so they could start there next theater of war .
X3DChris Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 434	. Go Ron Paul http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=0

01-29-2007, 01:51 AM	#4
The_motivator Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 600	nothing would make you happier either. after all, what would you bitch about then?
The_motivator Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 600	Reality is what we take to be true. What we take to be true is what we believe. What we believe is based upon our perceptions. What we perceive depends upon what we look for. What we look for depends on what we think. What we think depends on what we perceive. What we perceive determines what we believe. What we believe determines what we take to be true. What we take to be true is our reality.

01-31-2007, 12:57 PM	#6
The_motivator Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 600	i used to be all for diplomacy, fairness, and giving people a chance. Right about now, i'm starting to think that glassing the area may be a better choice.
The_motivator Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 600	Reality is what we take to be true. What we take to be true is what we believe. What we believe is based upon our perceptions. What we perceive depends upon what we look for. What we look for depends on what we think. What we think depends on what we perceive. What we perceive determines what we believe. What we believe determines what we take to be true. What we take to be true is our reality.

01-31-2007, 05:52 PM	#8
Cerberus Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,767	Iran needs a few thousand JDAMs to the face
Cerberus Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,767	"Practice proves more than theory, in any case." - Abraham Lincoln "i so regret searching "giant hentai penis" on google images though ;_;" - Garabaldi

01-28-2007, 05:35 PM	#2
~~ArmedDrunk&Angry~~ Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Long Island Posts: 6,971	A senior Iraqi military official said the sophistication of the attack led him to think it was the work of Iranian agents in conjunction with Iraq's Shiite Mahdi Army militia, which Iran funds, arms and trains. But we should listen to Baker and negiotiate with the Iranians .....right ? This means they are losing and they know it. The Iranians are testing our will and escalating the conflict to support the Dems effort to cut and run. The Iranians are going to put everything they have into the next 6-8 months to push the image of the war as a losing battle. We will start capturing more and more Iranian mil advisors as we go into the summer and watch how the media portrays them as concerned citizens who joined the insuregency out of a sense of duty, rather than the truth. We have gotten another Vietnam echo here as a third nation is beginning to have troops on the ground in this conflict. Can we expect to see Iranian flags at the peace protests now ?

01-31-2007, 12:03 PM	#5
SiN\|ScarFace Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 4,450	No doubt that was Iranians. Things like this only give us an excuse to expand the war.

01-31-2007, 04:29 PM	#7
Top_Cat_AxJnAt Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: "destruction of WEYBRIDGE and Shepperton" - WaroftheWorlds Posts: 3,194	This is a terribly shocking story, and clearly shows how Western Militaries must never underestimate the """"average"""" human! I feel very sorry for botht he soldiers, their families and their friends, ever more so, due to the nature of the attack. glassing, and what may that be now? In my view, diplomancy shoudl be used to the max, the point where the enemy troop are by your countries borders or similar! Only then can a war be even considered possibly "just" or "right" or more reasonalby a "neccessary", before that, in my op, it is just a crime.

01-31-2007, 06:40 PM	#9
tHa_KhAn Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: The Gunshine State, US Posts: 14	It's funny, in countries with less prevelant media sources(like Iran or Iraq) you expect the people there to believe the only story/information they receive Funny thing is, the same thing happens here in the US, but by choice. People choose a media/information outlet that suites their agenda or desires and makes no effort to examine alternate opinions. Example: If Jack Black is funny, then Jack Black is smart. If Jack Black is smart, then I must follow his political views.

01-31-2007, 07:59 PM	#10
Wipeout Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 854	Interesting.. I honestly believe the Iranians need to be dealt with face to face.. With a couple thousand JDAMs pointing in there face.. These partied talks don't work obviously. Yes you will see an increase in violence from now till the 08 elections.. Trying to get the American public against the Conflict in Iraq. Hell the 30,000 americans that anti-war protested in DC the other week spit on and threw rocks at american veterans that were anti-anti-war protesting(as the news explained, by anti-anti I mean, they were marching peacefully in support of the war and the troops). Which I think is asinine and if I had the chance I would bitch slap and shoot every single one of those 30,000 people. There a disgrace to the American population and are hurting the military personell.. I hope and pray(I'm not a religious person) that this shit doesn't turn into another Vietnam in the way American troops were greeted on the way back to the states.. \Execute SupportCoalitionTroops.exe

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