"Ties to GOP Trumped Know-How Among Staff Sent to Rebuild Iraq"

[R-MOD]Saobh · 12-27-2006, 03:58 PM

Intersting little article by Rajiv Chandrasekaran (adapted from his book:"Imperial Life in the Emerald City: Inside Iraq's Green Zone" ).

Ties to GOP Trumped Know-How Among Staff Sent to Rebuild Iraq

Pretty appalling, so much ressources and know how wasted during all these years. Just because of political/belief narrow mindedness ... yet again.

SiN|ScarFace · 12-27-2006, 04:33 PM

The Iraq war was designed to fail. Messy = good.

~~ArmedDrunk&Angry~~ · 12-27-2006, 07:08 PM

the only problem with that is the other side ( Dems/Kerry/Gore ) would have done nothing to protect us ( see the 90's ) while still being just as messy.
The loyalty issue was clearly overdone but the threat of people who disagreed with the policy but would go there to sabotage it must always be adressed.
Perhaps if both side of the aisle were more concerned with true results instead of furthering their party's agenda we would have had a better outcome.

[R-MOD]Saobh · 12-27-2006, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArmedDrunk&Angry

The loyalty issue was clearly overdone but the threat of people who disagreed with the policy but would go there to sabotage it must always be adressed.

Oh, meaning the people who actually had a bit of experience and against a 'policy' of doing a rotten job ? Yes, they seem to have indeed addressed the issue pretty well...

~~ArmedDrunk&Angry~~ · 12-27-2006, 08:33 PM

Perhaps you didn't understand what I said, so let me say it again, Bush f*cked up by not allowing qualified people over there and giving out posts based purely on party loyalty.

There are more than a few people who hate Bush and don't support the war and would go there to make waves and cause problems.
The administration's way of solving that problem was clearly an abject failure but that doesn't change the fact that they couldn't exactly let Micheal Moore types go over there.
The level of hatred for Bush in this country from a relatively small minority is an issue and their policy of " the enemy of my enemy is my friend " has hurt the war effort. If you don't support the war, you don't belong over there.
Just look at the MSM coverage of what happens in Iraq and compare that to the bloggers who are in the military and see what really happens.
If the MSM wanted to show whats really happening then there would be more than just 9 embeds( 2 are french and 2 are stars&stripes ) out there right now. There were over 700 embeds during the invasion because they were hoping it would go bad and they'd be there to see it.
None of this helps us win now, does it ?
It's all monday morning quarterbacks talking about how they would have done it better.
But the reality is we should have gone into Afghanistan in 93 and cleaned out Al Queda then. If we had 9-11, London and Madrid would never have occured.
Perhaps if the Dems didn't talk out of both sides of their mouths ( screaming all through the 90's about Saddam's WMD's and the threat the pose ) we could have attacked a persistant threat to the US with one clear and cogent policy.
Iraq and her problems are now a fact and all the talk about what happened before is not going to solve that problem.
What we should be doing is looking foward to a victory and relative peace in the region but that doesn't seem to be very popular. Maybe because there are no easy answers and it's much sexier to attack the effort rather than join in and solve the problem.

blister · 12-28-2006, 12:29 AM

"But the reality is we should have gone into Afghanistan in 93 and cleaned out Al Queda "

Impossible FBI and CIA wouldn't let it happen We had to wait for 911 So Bushie could start ww3....

transcript to what Clinton said on FOX

CLINTON: No, no. I authorized the CIA to get groups together to try to kill him.

The CIA, which was run by George Tenet, that President Bush gave the Medal of Freedom to, he said, He did a good job setting up all these counterterrorism things.

The country never had a comprehensive anti-terror operation until I came there.

Now, if you want to criticize me for one thing, you can criticize me for this: After the Cole, I had battle plans drawn to go into Afghanistan, overthrow the Taliban, and launch a full-scale attack search for bin Laden.

But we needed basing rights in Uzbekistan, which we got after 9/11.

The CIA and the FBI refused to certify that bin Laden was responsible while I was there. They refused to certify. So that meant I would’ve had to send a few hundred Special Forces in in helicopters and refuel at night.

Even the 9/11 Commission didn’t do that. Now, the 9/11 Commission was a political document, too. All I’m asking is, anybody who wants to say I didn’t do enough, you read Richard Clarke’s book.

WALLACE: Do you think you did enough, sir?

CLINTON: No, because I didn’t get him.

http://thinkprogress.org/clinton-interview

~~ArmedDrunk&Angry~~ · 12-28-2006, 01:17 AM

lmao
thanks for the laugh
that's almost as funny as the bridge I just bought.

The_motivator · 12-28-2006, 01:50 AM

Blister, did you sign up on these forums to troll around and pick fights? 6 posts and nothing related to PRM.

blister · 12-28-2006, 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_motivator

Blister, did you sign up on these forums to troll around and pick fights? 6 posts and nothing related to PRM.

Nope just giving my 2 cents sorry if u cant handle it .

[R-MOD]Saobh · 12-28-2006, 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_motivator

Blister, did you sign up on these forums to troll around and pick fights? 6 posts and nothing related to PRM.

I don't see what he has said here that consists in "picking a fight" on the contrary of others peoples comments ... For exemple :

Quote:

lmao
thanks for the laugh
that's almost as funny as the bridge I just bought.

12-27-2006, 03:58 PM	#1
[R-MOD]Saobh Forum Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,802	"Ties to GOP Trumped Know-How Among Staff Sent to Rebuild Iraq" Intersting little article by Rajiv Chandrasekaran (adapted from his book:"Imperial Life in the Emerald City: Inside Iraq's Green Zone" ). Ties to GOP Trumped Know-How Among Staff Sent to Rebuild Iraq Pretty appalling, so much ressources and know how wasted during all these years. Just because of political/belief narrow mindedness ... yet again.

12-28-2006, 12:29 AM	#6
blister Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 30	"But the reality is we should have gone into Afghanistan in 93 and cleaned out Al Queda " Impossible FBI and CIA wouldn't let it happen We had to wait for 911 So Bushie could start ww3.... transcript to what Clinton said on FOX CLINTON: No, no. I authorized the CIA to get groups together to try to kill him. The CIA, which was run by George Tenet, that President Bush gave the Medal of Freedom to, he said, He did a good job setting up all these counterterrorism things. The country never had a comprehensive anti-terror operation until I came there. Now, if you want to criticize me for one thing, you can criticize me for this: After the Cole, I had battle plans drawn to go into Afghanistan, overthrow the Taliban, and launch a full-scale attack search for bin Laden. But we needed basing rights in Uzbekistan, which we got after 9/11. The CIA and the FBI refused to certify that bin Laden was responsible while I was there. They refused to certify. So that meant I would’ve had to send a few hundred Special Forces in in helicopters and refuel at night. Even the 9/11 Commission didn’t do that. Now, the 9/11 Commission was a political document, too. All I’m asking is, anybody who wants to say I didn’t do enough, you read Richard Clarke’s book. WALLACE: Do you think you did enough, sir? CLINTON: No, because I didn’t get him. http://thinkprogress.org/clinton-interview
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12-28-2006, 01:50 AM	#8
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12-27-2006, 04:33 PM	#2
SiN\|ScarFace Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 4,450	The Iraq war was designed to fail. Messy = good.

12-27-2006, 07:08 PM	#3
~~ArmedDrunk&Angry~~ Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Long Island Posts: 6,971	the only problem with that is the other side ( Dems/Kerry/Gore ) would have done nothing to protect us ( see the 90's ) while still being just as messy. The loyalty issue was clearly overdone but the threat of people who disagreed with the policy but would go there to sabotage it must always be adressed. Perhaps if both side of the aisle were more concerned with true results instead of furthering their party's agenda we would have had a better outcome.

12-27-2006, 08:33 PM	#5
~~ArmedDrunk&Angry~~ Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Long Island Posts: 6,971	Perhaps you didn't understand what I said, so let me say it again, Bush f*cked up by not allowing qualified people over there and giving out posts based purely on party loyalty. There are more than a few people who hate Bush and don't support the war and would go there to make waves and cause problems. The administration's way of solving that problem was clearly an abject failure but that doesn't change the fact that they couldn't exactly let Micheal Moore types go over there. The level of hatred for Bush in this country from a relatively small minority is an issue and their policy of " the enemy of my enemy is my friend " has hurt the war effort. If you don't support the war, you don't belong over there. Just look at the MSM coverage of what happens in Iraq and compare that to the bloggers who are in the military and see what really happens. If the MSM wanted to show whats really happening then there would be more than just 9 embeds( 2 are french and 2 are stars&stripes ) out there right now. There were over 700 embeds during the invasion because they were hoping it would go bad and they'd be there to see it. None of this helps us win now, does it ? It's all monday morning quarterbacks talking about how they would have done it better. But the reality is we should have gone into Afghanistan in 93 and cleaned out Al Queda then. If we had 9-11, London and Madrid would never have occured. Perhaps if the Dems didn't talk out of both sides of their mouths ( screaming all through the 90's about Saddam's WMD's and the threat the pose ) we could have attacked a persistant threat to the US with one clear and cogent policy. Iraq and her problems are now a fact and all the talk about what happened before is not going to solve that problem. What we should be doing is looking foward to a victory and relative peace in the region but that doesn't seem to be very popular. Maybe because there are no easy answers and it's much sexier to attack the effort rather than join in and solve the problem.

12-28-2006, 01:17 AM	#7
~~ArmedDrunk&Angry~~ Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Long Island Posts: 6,971	lmao thanks for the laugh that's almost as funny as the bridge I just bought.

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