[Vehicle] Mil Mi-8 'hip' transport helicopter

[sakils2]

Whats so racist about the word- Jews? Should I be offended when someone calls me Latvian or Baltic? For gods sake...

[Smegburt_funkledink]

Originally Posted by sakils2

Whats so racist about the word- Jews? Should I be offended when someone calls me Latvian or Baltic? For gods sake...

Not all Israelis are Jewish.

I'd be offended if you called me a Christian.

Before a mod comes in to warn you guys, stay on topic or STFUFFS.

[Rudd]

Originally Posted by sakils2

Whats so racist about the word- Jews? Should I be offended when someone calls me Latvian or Baltic? For gods sake...

the problem is because Jewish is a confusing name, its refers to both a race of people and a religion and some people also use it when refering to the Israelis, which is kinda silly.

So if you called me a Jew, it could be like

Calling some a christian, which is not necessarily how they would like to be defined
Calling someone a Saxon or Roman, which is complicated with the Jewish people due to how our ancestors moved around much of the western world after teh sacking of Judea - resulting in a very diverse culture due to assimilation in to new home countries.
And its not really a nationality, so don't call them that.

It is NOT like calling someone Latvian.

for example, My mother is Jewish, but she is British and agnostic.

[samogon100500]

Originally Posted by Sgt.Smeg

Not all Israelis are Jewish.

I'd be offended if you called me a Christian.

Before a mod comes in to warn you guys, stay on topic or STFUFFS.

We know that!!!Evrei(Еврей)translate as jew) is not bad word in russian language!!!
It's people who live in israel and mostly russians think that!!!
2 niro - нах...на ты это им сказал?Щяс они тут усрутся какие все русские расисты!

[sakils2]

Originally Posted by Sgt.Smeg

Not all Israelis are Jewish.

I'd be offended if you called me a Christian.

Before a mod comes in to warn you guys, stay on topic or STFUFFS.

Did I say all Israelis are Jews? No.

Originally Posted by [R-CON]Rudd

the problem is because Jewish is a confusing name, its refers to both a race of people and a religion and some people also use it when refering to the Israelis, which is kinda silly.

Jews are not a race, they are a nation and ethnoreligious group.

SAUCE

Originally Posted by [R-CON]Rudd

It is NOT like calling someone Latvian..

In my book, it is. Latvians are a nation (a nation which is falling apart, though), just like Jews.

tell that to my Jewish Grandmother, most Jews I know consider themselves part of the Jewish race, i.e. the people descended from the Judean people after the sacking.

Just like Nazis considered themselves part of the Aryan race (which they believed was superior to others)?

[Rudd]

tell that to my Jewish Grandmother, most Jews I know consider themselves part of the Jewish race, i.e. the people descended from the Judean people after the sacking.

as I said, its confusing

and as I said, the migratory Jews have diversified resulting in this confusion with multiple definitions and opinions.

[xatu miller]

God dame it stop going off topic. I like come in there on the last page expecting a discussion about the new model and i see a discussion about Jews Christians and other stuff. I thought this forum was better then youtube?

[[R-DEV]Dunehunter]

What the **** is going on in here?


And for the record, there are multiple ways to define Jewishness. In some views, someone who belongs to the Jewish race through matrilinear descent but who is an atheist is more Jewish than someone who actually believes, but who is not of Jewish descent.

Back on topic, now.

[[R-DEV]TrahnLee]

Originally Posted by [R-DEV]Dunehunter

What the **** is going on in here?


And for the record, there are multiple ways to define Jewishness. In some views, someone who belongs to the Jewish race through matrilinear descent but who is an atheist is more Jewish than someone who actually believes, but who is not of Jewish descent.

Back on topic, now.

Yes, please, back on topic talking about Helicopters.. Respect Dunehunters request, or I will lock this thread.

[Spinkyone]

On topic: To my knowledge the rear door of the Mi-8 doesn't appear to be powered, it would be physically impossible to open during flight or incredibly dangerous to do so. The rear doors are either completely removed for some operations or there are multiple specials doors with an attentional split door out there creating another rear door (but then they are paratrooper version in very small numbers).

So the question is: there is no way to prevent someone from opening it like the Merlin or would be unrealistic with altitude controls like the Chinook so would it be better sealed shut?

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