APC driver view...

[Farks]

For 0.8, the APC's that have a commander seat in real life should get the same driver view as the tanks. At least all driver seats on the APC's should get the ability to look backwards, in order to reverse easier and cover the rear when the gunner is busy engaging targets in front.

In other words: simply making it more practical for the driver to drive the APC. It's not unrealistic or hard to do in anyway as far as I know...

[Spec_Operator]

At least all driver seats on the APC's should get the ability to look backwards

A big YES at this one.

[darkwarrior666]

No, because there's no back window on an APC - at least not one that the driver can see.

But I do know that at the very least, the American APC has those side view mirrors. If those could be angled properly, and given a reflective surface, I bet that would suffice, and be more realistic.

[Dr2B Rudd]

Guys inside of APCs shouldn't really be able to see out at all?, more like the BMP

[Spec_Operator]

The mirrors are what i mean. Afaik there are no really working mirrors in the BF2 engine, only fake ones. So the only way to simulate them being used would be a second camera perspective at the position of the mirror. Wouldnt be too unrealistic either.

[Farks]

Originally Posted by darkwarrior666

No, because there's no back window on an APC - at least not one that the driver can see.

But I do know that at the very least, the American APC has those side view mirrors. If those could be angled properly, and given a reflective surface, I bet that would suffice, and be more realistic.

Originally Posted by Dr2B Rudd

Guys inside of APCs shouldn't really be able to see out at all?, more like the BMP

I don't think this is the kind of realism the devs are trying to achieve. It's just details...

Playability, survivabilty and teamworkability V.S minor detail. Hmm...

[Skodz]

I totally agree APC should have a 360 view like main battle tank.

[Bringerof_D]

its not that its not there on real APCS, the only reason you can only see in front right now is because in the APC you're using the forward window with periscope attatchment. i do believe APCs of this sort do have cameras on the turret or somekind of backing up camera

[darkwarrior666]

Originally Posted by Farks

I don't think this is the kind of realism the devs are trying to achieve. It's just details...

Playability, survivabilty and teamworkability V.S minor detail. Hmm...

I always hate people who bring up these kinds of arguements. I swear, if an entire update of PR was dedicated to 'minor details', I swear you'd all go 'daaaamn!'

I mean, all the new weapon animations are 'minor details'. New factions(unless they have something different to bring to the table, like USAr, Militia n Insurgents) are 'minor details', since all the organized militaries are pretty identical. Shiny new 50 cal models are 'minor details'. New Humvee models are 'minor details'. Yet I never hear anyone shooting the devs down for any of that.

And from my (somewhat limited) knowledge of modding, the 'minor details' are far easier to do than the 'playability, survivability and teamwork' factors. True, lots of 'minor details' will stack up and eventually become as big as the 'major' ones, but us players quite enjoy those little things. I'd love to shoot with a more detailed weapon model. I'd love to see digital camo on US soldiers. I'd love to see working mirrors on Humvees, Technicals, and other light armed transports. These little details improve the overall package, and help the 'reality' feel just as much as over 9000 gameplay balances, so don't knock it.

[Harrod200]

Originally Posted by Spec_Operator

The mirrors are what i mean. Afaik there are no really working mirrors in the BF2 engine, only fake ones. So the only way to simulate them being used would be a second camera perspective at the position of the mirror. Wouldnt be too unrealistic either.

What about the scopes on several sniper rifles? They reflect (or seem to) the view behind the player. I dunno if that is a fake mirror or if it only refelects somethings or what...