Changes to the injury/death system

[DrMcCleod]

There is something profoundly unrealistic about the medic Shock Paddles. I wonder if a better solution is possible? For example,

1) Remove the shock paddles.

2) Instead of being incapacitated when critically wounded, you can still crawl, although you are still bleeding. Any attempt to stand makes you lose a bit of health and fall down again. You can still take damage from enemy action. If your health falls below X, you die.

3) In order to be able to walk again you must be healed up by a medic using the current system.


Now, injured players can crawl back into cover for treatment and their are no more Lazarus style shenanigans.

[Sadist_Cain]

I certainly like the idea of seeing medics/injuries tweaked a lil bit.

\thought I must confess I like the defibs, I think of it as being like a field surgeons bag with morphine etc etc. for when you're really boned

Afaik exactly what you're suggesting is hardcoded, with the changing stance thing but I'm no coder so I dunno :S

There's been a few threads already about field hospitals and such, I think the general consensus amougnst the community is that we'd like to see a bit more realism/changes for the medic

[Ayu]

I would rather stick to the current system. If i understood you right you suggest to make the medic some kind of normal, just with unlimited ability to heal ? This way medic would become pretty much useless, because you could just collect field dressings when you are wounded and it would have the same effect.
Or do you suggest that this kind of injuries, which force you to crawl can ONLY be handled by a medic ?

[DrMcCleod]

Originally Posted by Ayu

I would rather stick to the current system. If i understood you right you suggest to make the medic some kind of normal, just with unlimited ability to heal ? This way medic would become pretty much useless, because you could just collect field dressings when you are wounded and it would have the same effect.
Or do you suggest that this kind of injuries, which force you to crawl can ONLY be handled by a medic ?

Well, field dressings are generally in pretty short supply, and may not stop you bleeding if you are badly injured. I would rather have a medic than rely on them.

[jOHNNYdOUBE]

One may still be KILLED.
knife.
boom...headshot
explosion.
roadkills...
ya know.

It's fine the way it is.

[LordSquiffy]

Ok, who's been shot for real?......Hands up?

Not me, unless you count a stray airgun pellet when i was a kid. So if we want realism, who out there in our community knows what damage is caused from a bullet wound. Perhaps they can tell us whether you can crawl to a medic, or if the pain and dis-orientation is so bad that you just lie there in shock.

I think the medic system is ok at the moment. Its simple, and it works. The system could only be improved by my either being invisible or having none of you shoot at me to start with.

[DrMcCleod]

Originally Posted by jOHNNYdOUBE

One may still be KILLED.
knife.
boom...headshot
explosion.
roadkills...
ya know.

It's fine the way it is.

You miss the point.

[DrMcCleod]

Originally Posted by LordSquiffy

Ok, who's been shot for real?......Hands up?

Not me, unless you count a stray airgun pellet when i was a kid. So if we want realism, who out there in our community knows what damage is caused from a bullet wound. Perhaps they can tell us whether you can crawl to a medic, or if the pain and dis-orientation is so bad that you just lie there in shock.

I think the medic system is ok at the moment. Its simple, and it works. The system could only be improved by my either being invisible or having none of you shoot at me to start with.

I agree that the system is OK. BF:Vanilla is OK. But PR is great, and I would like the medic system to be great as well.

[BloodBane611]

Your suggestions are not possible with this engine. You're not the first to realize the shock paddles are unrealistic, but they're standins for whatever the medic may use to get a slightly wounded soldier back on his feet and into combat.

[$kelet0r]

Originally Posted by BloodBane611

Your suggestions are not possible with this engine. You're not the first to realize the shock paddles are unrealistic, but they're standins for whatever the medic may use to get a slightly wounded soldier back on his feet and into combat.

that slightly wounded soldier just took 3 7.62mm bullets to the torso!
Me, I'd prefer to see either
1) defibs removed and injured troops having to fall back to either a troop carrier (apc) or helicopter "to be healed" - [to replicate being evacuated (entering the vehicle) and replaced by a fresh trooper (exiting the vehicle after being "healed")]. All this would require is APCs, Helicopters become mobile health stations when inside the vehicle
OR
2) defibs removed from the current medic and two classes created - a fully armed default (scoped) rifleman who is also a combat lifesaver with bandages only like the civilian (no magic bag) .... and a pistol armed defib-toting, magic bag wielding requestable medic class with a big red cross/crescent on his /her arm with penalties to the opposing team for being killed much like a civilian in insurgency maps.

Or both - they would both work well together and further remove gameyness from PR