(Knife) Attacks

[[R-DEV]Chuc]

Lets make a list

• Melee is not being removed
• Melee is being changed to place more stress on attack timing rather than rapidly clicking
• Animations reflect this change, of course
• Differences between hand-to-hand and bayonet fighting have been worked on
• But fundamentally, the system serves the same purpose

[Truism]

<3 Chuc.

[[R-DEV]Rudd]

Originally Posted by [R-DEV]Ninja2dan

My opinion is that the bayonet really has no need on the modern battlefield of PR. While it could save your life in a real war, the fact is that people rarely ever run out of ammunition in a PR match prior to either respawning or finding a resupply point. If the bayonet stays, no big deal. Players need to stop doing stupid shit they used to do in vanilla, like running around with a knife in their hand thinking they are Rambo.

to be honest I agree

as much fun as knifing is

there is no 100% stealthy kill in PR thanks to voip and teamchat

you can't fire your weapon and have the bayonet on at the same time

so really, maybe it should be removed completely and replaced with something more useful gameplay wise

my vote would be for an undeployed mode for all scoped rifles, but thats just me :P

and if anything it would make supply lines even more important

I keep finding people who say "I've never run out of ammo in PR"

I say "you aint been shooting enough then!" :P

[LUKE_NUKE_EM]

Originally Posted by [R-CON]Rudd

to be honest I agree

as much fun as knifing is

there is no 100% stealthy kill in PR thanks to voip and teamchat

you can't fire your weapon and have the bayonet on at the same time

so really, maybe it should be removed completely and replaced with something more useful gameplay wise

my vote would be for an undeployed mode for all scoped rifles, but thats just me :P

and if anything it would make supply lines even more important

I keep finding people who say "I've never run out of ammo in PR"

I say "you aint been shooting enough then!" :P

I agree with everything you just said. The deployed mode for scoped rifles would help you not get killed all the time with an ACOG in CQC.

[dtacs]

Originally Posted by [R-CON]Rudd

there is no 100% stealthy kill in PR thanks to voip and teamchat

You don't stay in the same place after you've knifed, thats just silly.

you can't fire your weapon and have the bayonet on at the same time

Only two weapons that use the bayonet ON the weapon are the AK-47 for the Chechens, and the Brits SA80 one. They are used for stealth kills, not bayonet rushes. Bayonet rushes don't work in PR unless the enemy are a group of downers.

so really, maybe it should be removed completely and replaced with something more useful gameplay wise. my vote would be for an undeployed mode for all scoped rifles, but thats just me :P

Deployed scoped rifles? Giving the insurgents one more thing they have to worry about is a bad idea. Making the scoped G3 into more of a sniper than it already is, is also.

I keep finding people who say "I've never run out of ammo in PR" I say "you aint been shooting enough then!" :P

I've ran out of ammo once, to be honest the good PR player shoots only when needed. Stealth, speed and accuracy.

Originally Posted by [R-DEV]Chuc

Lets make a list

Good, if it is large stabbing motion that takes awhile inbetween goes then I'm all for it.

[Celestial1]

Originally Posted by dtacs

You don't stay in the same place after you've knifed, thats just silly.

Only two weapons that use the bayonet ON the weapon are the AK-47 for the Chechens, and the Brits SA80 one. They are used for stealth kills, not bayonet rushes. Bayonet rushes don't work in PR unless the enemy are a group of downers.

Deployed scoped rifles? Giving the insurgents one more thing they have to worry about is a bad idea. Making the scoped G3 into more of a sniper than it already is, is also.

I've ran out of ammo once, to be honest the good PR player shoots only when needed. Stealth, speed and accuracy

It's quite easy to say "I just got knifed, he's somewhere to your South, guys"

It's possible to have a bayonet rush if done properly with a lot of confusion beforehand.

Scoped G3 into more of a sniper rifle = G3SG1 Marksman, which is ALSO getting a deployed mode in v0.9 as it is. G3 is a battle rifle, meaning it's supposed to be accurate out to larger ranges.

Stealth, speed, and overwhelming force.*

[dtacs]

Originally Posted by Celestial1

It's quite easy to say "I just got knifed, he's somewhere to your South, guys"

It's possible to have a bayonet rush if done properly with a lot of confusion beforehand.

Scoped G3 into more of a sniper rifle = G3SG1 Marksman, which is ALSO getting a deployed mode in v0.9 as it is. G3 is a battle rifle, meaning it's supposed to be accurate out to larger ranges.

Stealth, speed, and overwhelming force.*

You're looking vertical. How on earth would you be able to know where the enemy is running after he knifed you?

I'd like to see it. So far I've never seen one that is worth the risk, plus in PR 99% of the time there isn't mass confusion as there isn't enough players, and there is too much space.

Clearly I wasn't talking about the G3SG1 champ, I'm talking about the regular scoped rifle for the rifleman, which, if the G3SG1 is getting it, doesn't really need. iirc they have the same barrel length, caliber and so forth, the only difference being the SG1 has a bipod and different scope mount. So, technically, if the regular scoped G3 gets a deployed mode, it should be almost exactly as accurate as the SG1.

Overwhelming force? Not really. If you have stealth and speed you can take out a squad solo. Thats how I run my squads and I've only failed once.

[gazzthompson]

Originally Posted by dtacs

Good, if it is large stabbing motion that takes awhile inbetween goes then I'm all for it.

you missed every point.

1. even if you do move a quick "guy behind" on voip will cause a squad to turn around and shoot you.

2. see point 1.

3. no, not deployed but undeployed ala the current SAW's so the rifles with scopes with have some effectiveness in CQB As you could "shoulder" your rifle like in real life and shoot "down the barrel"

[Truism]

Originally Posted by dtacs

Clearly I wasn't talking about the G3SG1 champ, I'm talking about the regular scoped rifle for the rifleman, which, if the G3SG1 is getting it, doesn't really need. iirc they have the same barrel length, caliber and so forth, the only difference being the SG1 has a bipod and different scope mount. So, technically, if the regular scoped G3 gets a deployed mode, it should be almost exactly as accurate as the SG1.

Battle Rifle armed counties like Pakistan actually only claim similar shooting results to their Assault Rifle armed counterparts.

The listed range for effective fire produced by a Pakistani rifleman with a G3 is 300m.


In practise I'm almost sure they'd be vastly more effective at greater range.


From memory the G3SG1 also has a better barrel, and they are individually tested to much higher standards than stock G3's, resulting in markedly superior MOA.

[badmojo420]

Knife should be removed, and the animation changed to using the butt of the rifle. But, it wouldn't change anything game play wise.

Originally Posted by [R-CON]Rudd

my vote would be for an undeployed mode for all scoped rifles, but thats just me :P

Is there a reason for the deviation/accuracy/recoil being worse when 'firing from the hip'? I seem to remember the words hard coded, but I can't remember exactly.