Limit scopes for MEC and Chinese

USMCMIDN · 12-28-2009, 04:36 PM

Doing research on middle eastern militaries I have noticed that hardly any infantry have optics attached to their weapons. Lets pick a major military power in the middle east lets say Iran being one of the biggest and strongest non western helped countries.

Only their marksman and snipers have any type of optic not individuals belonging to the military as NATO countries do.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_I3Q1kT0tz2.../Iran+Army.jpg

Imageshack - azeriregulararmy9tz

Iranian military image by prznbmwxxx on Photobucket

googled it and found nothing giving clear evidence that the infantry and even some spec ops give scopes to all of their infantry.

Now lets pick another large middle eastern country with powerful military and better military spending lets say Saudi or Kuwait... Even aid from western powers does not give them optics

Google Image Result for http://english.people.com.cn/200501/17/images/0116_B07.jpg

Kuwait

Google Image Result for http://www.theage.com.au/ffxImage/urlpicture_id_1048354510445_2003/03/24/2403raq4,0.jpg

now china a major military in asia and in PR lol because hey I looked them up too!

http://www.armyrecognition.com/image...iforms_001.jpg

http://cdn.wn.com/ph/img/82/b6/20085...08a-grande.jpg

http://www.chinasmack.com/wp-content...versary-02.jpg

IDK if PR knows about this and does it to equal it out between the factions (give equal strengths for AAS) but hey what do you guys think bad idea or good..... I was hesitant to put this up because I dont want to get anyone who loves MEC and chinese mad lol I like them too tho

and I searched this and didnt find anything on PR

maybe we could have limited rifle kits for them with like the AR in a squad. ! rifle with scope in a squad or something.

boilerrat · 12-28-2009, 04:53 PM

This would be fine if it was chinese vs MEC, but as of now I don't believe there are such maps.

But since there are none, those factions are going against USA who has optics making it a great disadvantage for the MEC / Chinese.

I understand your move for realism, and that is good. BUT! PR is not 100% realism..... its still a game you know, while realism is considered its still Gameplay > Complete realism.

dtacs · 12-28-2009, 04:59 PM

Scoped rifles were added for balance on the MEC and chinese sides, to mimic the ACOG M16/M4's.

Your source of the Saudi troops parading with G3's is not valid, as far as i know the Americans don't do their volleys with scopes attached?

Likewise with the G3's, if you can find multiple examples of Saudi troops in the field without at least ONE scoped rifle then you have a bit of water in your tank.

Bellator · 12-28-2009, 05:04 PM

Why would someone parade with a scope? Scopes only add weight to the weapon, and marches and other ceremonies last for quite a while.

Herbiie · 12-28-2009, 05:06 PM

Tell me where it says the Middle Eastern Coalition don't use scopes! Ha, bet ya can't

Anyway, in the time PR is set (Near Future) they would be able to have scopes.

USMCMIDN · 12-28-2009, 05:14 PM

well in the pics they are parading with full combat gear so if they had scopes I am sure they would be on their rifles and they are doing combat drills w.o scopes (chinese)

as for the near future that is why I added saudi and kuwait, in the future if there was a war like this I would think they would not spend money on scopes in the future if they do not do that now and spend money on ammo and apcs and such...

but yeah I kinda thought it was to balance the teams up but hey it was one of those kinda iffy suggestions.

Ccharge · 12-28-2009, 05:34 PM

this would leave the MEC at a disitvantage in 2 places, CQB and Long range, leaving them only the middle ground. Bad idea. Also, this would apply with the US army and USMC. I dont think 90% of them run around with scoped rifles.

USMCMIDN · 12-28-2009, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ccharge

this would leave the MEC at a disitvantage in 2 places, CQB and Long range, leaving them only the middle ground. Bad idea. Also, this would apply with the US army and USMC. I dont think 90% of them run around with scoped rifles.

yeah we do nearly everyone in the USMC has some type of optic on their weapon...

but yeah I could see where this would be a bad idea because of balance.

dtacs · 12-28-2009, 06:09 PM

You answered your own question.

There is a point where realism becomes a bad idea for a VIDEO GAME, IE 4 crew members in a tank and fuel for vehicles, the list is endless.

HellDuke · 12-28-2009, 06:15 PM

Sure.. Take them away... (<-sarcasm) The other factions loose them as well? (US Army and USMC etc?) Otherwise wake up from your dreamworld.

If that's not an ACOG scope on that Iran army soldiers rifle then I am a potato... The weapon doesn't seem to belong to a marskamn...

12-28-2009, 04:36 PM	#1
USMCMIDN Join Date: Jul 2009 United States of America Location: NY Posts: 904	Limit scopes for MEC and Chinese Doing research on middle eastern militaries I have noticed that hardly any infantry have optics attached to their weapons. Lets pick a major military power in the middle east lets say Iran being one of the biggest and strongest non western helped countries. Only their marksman and snipers have any type of optic not individuals belonging to the military as NATO countries do. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_I3Q1kT0tz2.../Iran+Army.jpg Imageshack - azeriregulararmy9tz Iranian military image by prznbmwxxx on Photobucket googled it and found nothing giving clear evidence that the infantry and even some spec ops give scopes to all of their infantry. Now lets pick another large middle eastern country with powerful military and better military spending lets say Saudi or Kuwait... Even aid from western powers does not give them optics Google Image Result for http://english.people.com.cn/200501/17/images/0116_B07.jpg Kuwait Google Image Result for http://www.theage.com.au/ffxImage/urlpicture_id_1048354510445_2003/03/24/2403raq4,0.jpg now china a major military in asia and in PR lol because hey I looked them up too! http://www.armyrecognition.com/image...iforms_001.jpg http://cdn.wn.com/ph/img/82/b6/20085...08a-grande.jpg http://www.chinasmack.com/wp-content...versary-02.jpg IDK if PR knows about this and does it to equal it out between the factions (give equal strengths for AAS) but hey what do you guys think bad idea or good..... I was hesitant to put this up because I dont want to get anyone who loves MEC and chinese mad lol I like them too tho and I searched this and didnt find anything on PR maybe we could have limited rifle kits for them with like the AR in a squad. ! rifle with scope in a squad or something.

12-28-2009, 04:53 PM	#2
boilerrat Join Date: Sep 2009 United States of America Location: Michigan Posts: 1,470	Re: Limit scopes for MEC and Chinese This would be fine if it was chinese vs MEC, but as of now I don't believe there are such maps. But since there are none, those factions are going against USA who has optics making it a great disadvantage for the MEC / Chinese. I understand your move for realism, and that is good. BUT! PR is not 100% realism..... its still a game you know, while realism is considered its still Gameplay > Complete realism.

12-28-2009, 04:59 PM	#3
dtacs Join Date: Dec 2008 Australia Posts: 5,072	Re: Limit scopes for MEC and Chinese Scoped rifles were added for balance on the MEC and chinese sides, to mimic the ACOG M16/M4's. Your source of the Saudi troops parading with G3's is not valid, as far as i know the Americans don't do their volleys with scopes attached? Likewise with the G3's, if you can find multiple examples of Saudi troops in the field without at least ONE scoped rifle then you have a bit of water in your tank.
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12-28-2009, 05:04 PM	#4
Bellator Join Date: Jul 2009 Finland Location: Turku, Finland Posts: 460	Re: Limit scopes for MEC and Chinese Why would someone parade with a scope? Scopes only add weight to the weapon, and marches and other ceremonies last for quite a while.

12-28-2009, 05:06 PM	#5
Herbiie Join Date: Aug 2009 United Kingdom Location: Nottingham <3 Posts: 2,014	Re: Limit scopes for MEC and Chinese Tell me where it says the Middle Eastern Coalition don't use scopes! Ha, bet ya can't Anyway, in the time PR is set (Near Future) they would be able to have scopes.
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12-28-2009, 05:14 PM	#6
USMCMIDN Join Date: Jul 2009 United States of America Location: NY Posts: 904	Re: Limit scopes for MEC and Chinese well in the pics they are parading with full combat gear so if they had scopes I am sure they would be on their rifles and they are doing combat drills w.o scopes (chinese) as for the near future that is why I added saudi and kuwait, in the future if there was a war like this I would think they would not spend money on scopes in the future if they do not do that now and spend money on ammo and apcs and such... but yeah I kinda thought it was to balance the teams up but hey it was one of those kinda iffy suggestions.

12-28-2009, 05:34 PM	#7
Ccharge Join Date: Aug 2008 Canada Posts: 306	Re: Limit scopes for MEC and Chinese this would leave the MEC at a disitvantage in 2 places, CQB and Long range, leaving them only the middle ground. Bad idea. Also, this would apply with the US army and USMC. I dont think 90% of them run around with scoped rifles.
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12-28-2009, 06:09 PM	#9
dtacs Join Date: Dec 2008 Australia Posts: 5,072	Re: Limit scopes for MEC and Chinese You answered your own question. There is a point where realism becomes a bad idea for a VIDEO GAME, IE 4 crew members in a tank and fuel for vehicles, the list is endless.
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12-28-2009, 06:15 PM	#10
HellDuke Join Date: Apr 2007 Lithuania Location: Vilnius, 26 kilometres south of Europe center Posts: 607	Re: Limit scopes for MEC and Chinese Sure.. Take them away... (<-sarcasm) The other factions loose them as well? (US Army and USMC etc?) Otherwise wake up from your dreamworld. If that's not an ACOG scope on that Iran army soldiers rifle then I am a potato... The weapon doesn't seem to belong to a marskamn...
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