replace taliban's lee en field

[162eRI]

Indeed RHYS4190, a lot of German weapons and ammunitions were sold to many countries (Middle East, South America, Asia, ...)
But why the insurgents get so many German weapons: because Middle East as we said bought them after WW2. Egypt used Panzer IV, K.98, G.43, and Stg.44 Same goes for Irak which used a lot of German weapons. The fact is, they used a lot of Stg.44 that why we can find them "easily" in insurgents hands. There are really good weapons. They also produced their own German weapons, mostly in Egypt and Syria.

Exemple: Egyptian Hakim (G.43 copy)

Iraqi Mauser (German K.98 with Iraqi stamps)

Iraqi insurgents (?) using the Stg.44

Syrian Model 48 Mauser

Old Turkish Mauser file (around WWI but left behind in all the Turkish Empire)


Should not forget the Yugoslavian M.48 made for Egypt (and captured by the IDF) and the Yugoslavian MG42.


Tell the Israelians about this, they know very well about Germans weapons used by the Arab league or used by themselves (Me169, K.98, etc). And one should not forget, that even if it was 50 years ago, Germany sent weapons to this countries and Afghanistan for the insurgents against the English colonial troops. Some German special forces were even sent in Aghanistan.

Anyway, I remember somewhere it was said PR will get random weapons! Then it's perfect!!!

We can imagine the medic kit or another kit with random weapons: you get mostly Ak variations but sometimes old weapons such as Lee Enfield, Stg44 or K.98. But first the power of those bolt rifle (Lee Enfield, K.9 have to be corrected. Right now the Lee Enfield isn't realistic.

I think the best exemple ever are those pictures!

Marines looking at captured K.98, G.98 and G.43. On the ground you can see a Lee-Enfield.

Young boy looking at captured insurgents weapons: Mosin-Nagant or Mannlicher-Carcano rifles, FN MAG, Lee Enfield and M1 Garand...

Same goes here, you can see Lee-Enfield's brass butt, M1 Garand and RPG-2.

And the best picture so far:

You have almost everything: Para FN FAL, K.98, G.43, MG3, MG42 (or Yugoslavian MG), PPSH (or PPSH43), M1 Garand, Lee Enfield, Mannlicher-Carcano, Mosin-Nagant, SKS, Bazooka, etc etc etc

[[R-DEV]Jaymz]

Originally Posted by R.J.Travis

I'v seen a lot videos of people getting shot up real bad and coming out with only minor wounds and just really bruised up from the bullets impact at ranges of 150+

I have several friends that would speak to the contrary from first hand experience. One had his interceptor plate pierced by a single AK round and he lost a kidney because of it. Another saw a single round go through his comrade's arm, armour plate, and torso (he wasn't allowed to tell me the weapon used for OPSEC reasons, but it happened in CQB which most likely rules out the heavy stuff).

It's all dependant on dozens of factors. This also isn't even touching the point that we can't simulate the effect that a successfully blocked round would have on the wearer (severely winded if not knocked to the ground). The words of one of our MA's spoken to me on mumble a while back comes to mind : "try holding a phone book up to your chest, then getting the strongest guy you know to hit it with a baseball bat".

[boilerrat]

Originally Posted by [R-DEV]Katarn

.303 British / 7.7x57R - 3120J muzzle energy
7.62x54R - 3214J muzzle energy

So, almost nothing. There's a video floating around of a guy taking an SVD round to the chest and being able to capture the guy who shot him afterward. Ceramic plating stops almost every round until you get into the .50 caliber range. At least the first one. The only real dangerous rounds to ceramic plating may be the .338 lapua and the newly developed 9.3x64 round, which is shot from the SVD-K.

He had like a 17lb bullet vest on him, he was standing next to a humvee and was shot in the chest....fell to the ground without injury, his squad fired on the sniper who then fled and they found him in someone's backyard and the man who was shot by the sniper captured him and they gave him medical treatment.


I'm pretty sure it was on liveleak and I saw it on the military channel.

[HAAN4]

Originally Posted by joethepro36

I agree with a replacement, either that or it needs to kill in one hit, FH2 style.

Firing at a target from a distance is difficult due to deviation, iron sights (and their general suckiness above 50m) and opponents having scoped weaponry. The other taliban weaponry has semi-auto fire so you can follow up shots quickly if you miss. With the enfield, you can't afford to miss, you fire and the enemy knows where you are instantly. Even if you hit, you need to place another shot on the same guy before he manages to shoot you or run into cover for a medic.

Having a bad weapon for a medic doesn't sound too bad in theory as it is their job to heal a squad and keep them fighting. The most important thing wrong with the taliban medic is it's inablity to defend himself. Nearly every single time I have attempted to wait in cover for the enemy to appear for a clean shot, the enemy turns and shoots me before I can get a second shot off accurately. Either that or they've already scoped up on me when I'm aiming at them. Here's what happened when 1 TIME I got a kill on someone approaching me:
"HEY GUYS, JESUS CHRIST, I GOT A KILL WITH THE ENFIELD! I ACTUALLY HAVE A KILL, 1-11 FUCK YEAH"

My suggestion for a replacement is the humble SKS, less desirable than an AK while still sucking enough for a medic. With the SKS, kills are a little more difficult than with an AK but still easy to get if you ambush opponents or wait in defence.

you are forguthing something, EN lee will not kill in one shoot, because one thing.

ARMOR, in forgothen hope there is no armor IMO...

[Herbiie]

Originally Posted by HAAN4

ARMOR, in forgothen hope there is no armor IMO...

There's no way in hell you will be fighting after being hit by a .303, body armour or not.

[Katarn]

Originally Posted by Herbiie

There's no way in hell you will be fighting after being hit by a .303, body armour or not.

There's even a video on the net of a guy doing just that.

[Anhkhoa]

Originally Posted by [R-MOD]crazy11

Where has anyone said that it is over powered if we put it at its realistic capabilities. Have you ever thought that maybe it is bugged?

Hmm...it seems the Enfield is not firing a .303/7.7x56R.

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ObjectTemplate.keepProjectiles 5
ObjectTemplate.velocity 744
ObjectTemplate.itemIndex 3
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[[R-DEV]Eddie Baker]

Originally Posted by Anhkhoa

Hmm...it seems the Enfield is not firing a .303/7.7x56R.

ObjectTemplate.animationSystem1P Objects/Weapons/Handheld/insgr_enfield/AnimationSystem1p.inc
ObjectTemplate.animationSystem3P Objects/Weapons/Handheld/insgr_enfield/AnimationSystem3p.inc
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Because it isn't worth making a separate damage properties template for it when its ballistic performance in real-life is not significantly different to the 7.62 x 51mm and 7.62 x 54mm.

.303 British Service (Mk 7 Ball)
Cartridge Dimensions: 7.7 x 56mm
Projectile Weight: 174 grains (11.3 g)
Muzzle Velocity: 2,440 ft/s (740 m/s)
Muzzle Energy (if you believe in it): 2,310 ft-lb (3131.89J)

7.62mm NATO / .308 Winchester (US M80 Ball)
Cartridge Dimensions: 7.62 x 51mm
Projectile Weight: 149 grains (9.7 g)
Muzzle Velocity: 2800 fps (853 m/s)
Muzzle Energy: 2593 ft-lb. (3516J)

7.62mm Mosin-Nagant / Soviet Rimmed (7N13 Enhanced Penetration Ball)
Cartridge Dimensions: 7.62 x 54mm
Projectile Weight: 145 grains (9.4 g)
Muzzle Velocity: 2716.53 fps (828 m/s)
Muzzle Energy: INA

Sources:
7.62mm CARTRIDGES | Russian Arms, Military Technology, Analysis of Russia's Military Forces
Dockery, Kevin. Compendium of Modern Firearms
History of the .303 British Calibre Service Ammunition Round

[gazzthompson]

Originally Posted by Herbiie

There's no way in hell you will be fighting after being hit by a .303, body armour or not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSQ20qGAjjY

assuming its a SVD being used, that fires 7.62 x 54mm. which as you can see above has same sort of performance as .303

[Bringerof_D]

insurgent with an STG-44, Friggin awesome