replace taliban's lee en field

[TristanYockell]

I'v dropped a moose and many a deer with my .303 british in 1 shot. This is not a small cartridge we are talking about here.

It makes the 7.62x39mm Cartridge used in Ak's, SKS and a few others look anemic in comparison. Look at this picture, .303 farthest to the Left, Famous AK-47/AKM cartridge all the way to the right.



.303 cartridge has a muzzel velocity of 745 M/S upon leaving the barrel with 3164 joules of energy.
7.62x39mm cartridge is traveling at 710 M/S upon exit with 1991 joules.

Considering it only takes around 900 joules to reliably kill a whitetail deer "roughly mansized mammal". We have loads of energy left to totaly obliterate soft tissue.

So Technically this Cartridge is a man stopper in every sense of the means.

[Hunt3r]

For balance sake, yes, the G3 should kill in two shots. But also for balance's sake, the Enfield should be 1 shot.

If all the 5.xx caliber assault rifles were as controllable as the L85 iron sights on full auto, then yes, G3 should kill with one shot to the chest.

[Bellator]

Originally Posted by StuTika

Despite the fact that the .303 British round has the same energy as a 7.62 round, the Enfield really should be a one shot kill. You could say that this means that the G3 should also be a one shot kill, and you would be right, it is needed for game balance.

Am I not right in thinking that the DEVs priorities are balance/gamelplay first, realism second?

Stu.

G3 is powerful enough as it is and it would become seriously over powered if it became a single-shot, single kill. Althought it might become a fun weapon (unlike now when it seems everyone except me wants to switch it whenever they can to US or British kit) when its recoil and sound is backed with serious killing power, but the US and brits would not stand a chance, hurting game play a lot. G3 is much easier to use than lee einfield because it is an automatic weapon after all, and you can correct one or two misses.

[[R-CON]Tim270]

G3/any other weapon balance is not needed in this thread as it does not apply.

The simple fact is currently
- If people want to use the weapon effectively they have to assume the role of a marksman
- If you stick with your squad in assaulting compounds, you are unable to defend yourself.
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The size/power of the round leads to the question, why does it take 2 shots to kill ingame? Either make the deviation a lot lower(you are still 'punished' by having to cycle the bolt after each shot and allowing targets to seek cover) so you are able to actually hit stuff Or up the damage and lower the deviation slightly.

Since the weapons have been used by Afghans for so long, logic would conclude that they are pretty capable with the rifles as well.

[Herbiie]

Originally Posted by Bellator

(unlike now when it seems everyone except me wants to switch it whenever they can to US or British kit)

Really? I usually see the opposite, Brits and US taking G3s.

Anyway, on topic:
It just should be one shot one kill as you usually only get 1 shot, it's no good for supressing even (and I loooove suppressing).

[Bellator]

Since the weapons have been used by Afghans for so long, logic would conclude that they are pretty capable with the rifles as well.

Or they are too poor to buy anything else.

Really? I usually see the opposite, Brits and US taking G3s.

I see that rarely too, but mostly its MECsters taking the blufor kits, way more often than not. People just don't know how to handle the G3A3 even though its a quite a good rifle when you know how.

[[R-DEV]crazy11]

Originally Posted by RHYS4190

But the prob is no one on the team seems to agree. they think if they made the lee Enfield as good as it really is in real life it be to over powered for a medic. I think is ridiculous remember is a bolt action rifle it is really a one shot deal, that in it self makes it under powered.

Where has anyone said that it is over powered if we put it at its realistic capabilities. Have you ever thought that maybe it is bugged?

[Roguehellhound]

On the enfield-should be 1 shot 1 kill, sucker is too powerful in real life to not be reflected in the game.. great ol' british rifle

Actually looking to buy one myself.

The G3? i think that is my favorite weapon, on asad it absolutely RAPES! my motto that I made clan go by is "be the first to kill, not first to shoot" basically let the enemy take the first 1 or 2 shots, then you kill him b/c your deviation is almost zero.

trust me, i took out a whole squad of brit with iron sights simple b/c the full auto capability is amazing in CQB due to sheer stopping power.. even with the limited 20round clip.

[Claymore]

I am afraid that my pressious medic kit would be stolen by snipers, in case this rifle killed in one shot. If the stopping power has to be increased, then maybe the enemies should be severely wounded - black and white but not dead.

[Herbiie]

Originally Posted by Claymore

I am afraid that my pressious medic kit would be stolen by snipers, in case this rifle killed in one shot. If the stopping power has to be increased, then maybe the enemies should be severely wounded - black and white but not dead.

Sniper Noobs will just go, "Oh Noez, Iron Sights, I can't shoot anything!" Because they are silly