Various gameplay suggestions

[snooggums]

Originally Posted by EazyCurrE

I can see now, being in a full squad in which everybody dies except the squad leader, and him saying "ok guys now everybody leave the squad and come back so i can set a rally" lolz

not a good idea there.

Currently in PR dead players that leave a squad cannot rejoin the same squad or join another until they respawn.

[arjan]

Whats up with these f*ck*n hostal people on these forums against others, they just make a suggestion wich doesnt nessacarilly has to be impleted. and only thing you guys do i slap him into the ground..

Tirak; This mod is not for you
Herbiie; You're not too nice yourself bub

While he just made a suggestion that he thought could be good, might be different in other peoples eyes.
But no need to freakin be hostal to him, instead of explaining nicely why you dont agree, instead of saying he shouldnt be playing, or hes not nice.

He just puts in his ideas, wich are welcome but dont have to be impleted.
Just be nice to eachother.

[snooggums]

Originally Posted by arjan

Whats up with these f*ck*n hostal people on these forums against others, they just make a suggestion wich doesnt nessacarilly has to be impleted. and only thing you guys do i slap him into the ground..

Tirak; This mod is not for you
Herbiie; You're not too nice yourself bub

While he just made a suggestion that he thought could be good, might be different in other peoples eyes.
But no need to freakin be hostal to him, instead of explaining nicely why you dont agree, instead of saying he shouldnt be playing, or hes not nice.

He just puts in his ideas, wich are welcome but dont have to be impleted.
Just be nice to eachother.

Offering constructive criticism is not being hostile. The suggestions were mostly poor as Tirak pointed out, and Tirak is a perfect example of who this mod is targeted at. All of his comments are mirrored in the mod's implementation and attitude, and he did not go out of line or become hostile.

[arjan]

Herbiie did, by calling him a noob and not being nice, while he only just put down a idea.
And that was not constructive critism but smacking him in the ground, and i can understand why most new players say they get scared away becouse of the vets not handling them nicely and with respect like the vets threat eachother.

[Dev1200]

Originally Posted by RPG-Gunner

Suggestion

1. Kills
Every time enemy was shot down it should count as kill because after revive the soldier is in hospital and cannot fight, this is another soldier that took his place.
This would be more realistic and would be fairer to the player because nobody can sit 5 minutes around and wait until the enemy will be dead dead.
There is also a unrealistic tactic people use, enemy medic hide himself and wait until 2-4 minutes after firefight, after all enemies gone, he revives his squad.
Sometimes you take 2-5 enemies out but don’t get any kills.

It takes about 3-5 minutes to heal a whole squad up to full health to move on.. probably more. And that would make the medic quite useless.. lets say you get killed, that counts as 1 ticket lost. Get revived, and get killed again. Thats 2 tickets for 1 personell.

2. APC/Jeeps - LAT
I think it’s unrealistic how that assets used now. In reality apcs stay back and give fire support over distance. In game the apcs and jeeps simply hunt the soldiers. Trucks try to overdrive soldiers... My point is to give LAT to a squad as spawn kit like Medic or LMG. In real armies there are no squads without RPG/LAW in action.

To Taliban and insurgents please give a pistol or carabine or mp for self-defense, there are only two kits on cache that always take a random guy.

People are hardcoded. Giving a LAT to every squad to spawn as would make APCs redundant.. since they can be taken out that easily. Also, The Taliban already are given an AK47 with the LAT, and an AK74u (Ithink..). The insurgents are underequipped civilian fighters.. not trained, regular army troops.

3. Insurgents
a)
Please do something against people who walk over traps and drive over own mines.
They simply don’t care about that assets because no one sanction them, more they can punish mates.
It’s very hard to defend any cache with such teammates.
The solution is simple, in insurgents mode if you run over own trap or mine you should get punished with many negative points or 1 death or as message for all like "player XYZ is a traitor (idiot or whatever)".
Only with such sanction people will take care.

I Agree with them not setting off their own grenade traps.. but mines should be like the other factions

b)
Insurgents should have a medic like Taliban have, the civilian guy should used as scout, for example give him a small uav function for 50-150 m or whatever around him.

Collaborator is used great as a medic. A small UAV function would make no sense.. in .87 they get Informants anyway.

c)
Give coalition forces faster respawn times for trucks and jeeps, they should be able to pressure the insurgents and Taliban because of better supply ability of the regular army.
It would make insurgence mode often less boring.

This would just increase the waste of trucks and jeeps by idiots. They still use tickets.. And insurgent mode isn't boring. Play on a real server, and you'll enjoy it much more

4) Ralley Point
Both suggestions will bring more action to PR by let enemies meet each other more often.
a)
I think it’s a big problem, you can do what you want, the time will come where some enemies simply walk near and your RP will disappear.
I think a Ralley Point is a HQ and should be taken by firefight, shoot the guys down and then knife the RP.
Or let RP only disappear if enemies are 5m close to them.
The problem of spawn kills, this is the problem a squad and every player should deal with, now you can spawn rape too if you alone...

So please let RPs rest until they were really fought down.

Rally points are fine how they are, IMO. Just place them far away from possible enemy contacts, and its good. Having a squad spawn inside of a small building with enemy infantry running around everywhere wouldn't make any sense..

b)
There is a lack of squadleaders, so I suggest you, let squadleader make RPs with one man in a squad but nobody near him!
Nobody want forever beg mates to come to that position or to another position, they play and you wait and wait. Make a squadleader stronger, let him be creative in his tactics without beg squadmates. So a good player can stay alive and make RPs for his squad in the end best careful players will be best squadleaders because everyone want be in a squad with action and not in one on the carrier.

Then A squad leader could just drop in enemy territory, place a rally, and have his squad members spawn in afterwards. Which.. would be really stupid.

5) Points and Firebase
There are people who try to spam firebases in open because they want get points for statistic, they don’t care about safety.
Lower points for building and transport and so on, give more points for taking or defend flags/caches, taking mg out/revive people.

I wouldn't mind this.. although I wish they remove the points/kills system alltogether.

6) Pilots
Pilots are careless, how often they lose again and again helis. How often they try to land troops in front of my rifle/mg/apc whatever.
They don’t think about stealth and safe transport.
People will learn only with sanctions.
Please let a pilot who lost his heli get many negative points and (!) double spawn time of the heli he just lost, so other guy can try himself as pilot.
A carrier should have faster spawn time for boats so noob pilots would not be able to destroy a game play.

Play on a server with admins. Idiots wasting assets get booted pretty quickly. Also, more boats = more people one manning them and ditching them. You ever seen someone bring a boat back to the carrier? =P

7) MG
Undeployed MG should be less accurate.
MG is for fire support and for room clearing.

I'm assuming your talking about the LMG here.. It's getting a revamp soon. Watch the new videos with the LMG's. WAY more recoil, especially with the saw, when scoped in.

8 ) Tanks
I want big tank battles with 20-30 tanks on each side. Now kashan desert is boring but if you let everyone handle own tank/aa (like USI) +1-2 helis/jets, it would be nice. Kashan desert, kozelsk would good for that.

20-30 tanks = 40-60 players. Make a 120+ player server work with BF2.. =P And kashan isn't boring.. you just have to, again, be in the right server. This would also kill the infantry portion of kashan, which is pretty epic.

9) Maps
Need more maps with buildings, place on maps like mestia (baraccuda...) simply more buildings, something like 3 villages to capture!

Would be nice to see more urban maps.. but they're in the process. Look at the dev blogs

10) Mines
Make mines like FH2 and let people mark them like there!

Mine markers will work every time now, instead of having just one in an area. Dunno how they were in FH2, however, so I can't comment on that

Comments are in Bold, Italics, and Underlined.

[Herbiie]

Originally Posted by arjan

Herbiie did, by calling him a noob and not being nice, while he only just put down a idea.
And that was not constructive critism but smacking him in the ground, and i can understand why most new players say they get scared away becouse of the vets not handling them nicely and with respect like the vets threat eachother.

If he cares about points then he obviously has the wrong idea bout PR....

And I treat New Players nicely, but, as this fellow pointed out he's been on these forums for two years, and so he isn't a new player and therefore should know better. IMHO he is just a noob and is bringing up lots of ideas that will attract even more noobs to the game who constantly are using the Tab button to check on their precious precious score... Also he put down several Ideas mos of which had been put down by other people...

In FH2 when you placed a mine you can also place a little flag marking where it is (mines were invisibleish) which was also useful for putting flags where there weren't mines to funnel the enemy onto your mines

[bloodthirsty_viking]

my oppinions in bold

Originally Posted by RPG-Gunner

Suggestion

1. Kills
Every time enemy was shot down it should count as kill because after revive the soldier is in hospital and cannot fight, this is another soldier that took his place.
This would be more realistic and would be fairer to the player because nobody can sit 5 minutes around and wait until the enemy will be dead dead.
There is also a unrealistic tactic people use, enemy medic hide himself and wait until 2-4 minutes after firefight, after all enemies gone, he revives his squad.
Sometimes you take 2-5 enemies out but don’t get any kills.


no. that is all i will day.. a death counts as a tickets, and they allready go by fast enofe, i mean think of a helo, 1 rashed helo = 10 tickets for helo+1 for pilot plus 1-7 for passengers...

2. APC/Jeeps - LAT
I think it’s unrealistic how that assets used now. In reality apcs stay back and give fire support over distance. In game the apcs and jeeps simply hunt the soldiers. Trucks try to overdrive soldiers... My point is to give LAT to a squad as spawn kit like Medic or LMG. In real armies there are no squads without RPG/LAW in action.


nooo, there is to much at allready in my oppinion... the closest thing to this i would like would be an emplaced tow, but one time, long ago, the devs sead that was staying out.

To Taliban and insurgents please give a pistol or carabine or mp for self-defense, there are only two kits on cache that always take a random guy.

what, dont you spawn with a gun on insurgency? i mean, what do you want here?


3. Insurgents
a)
Please do something against people who walk over traps and drive over own mines.
They simply don’t care about that assets because no one sanction them, more they can punish mates.
It’s very hard to defend any cache with such teammates.
The solution is simple, in insurgents mode if you run over own trap or mine you should get punished with many negative points or 1 death or as message for all like "player XYZ is a traitor (idiot or whatever)".
Only with such sanction people will take care.

set up a defensive area and every few minutes say something into team chat, and dont set it up near a cache, set it up on a street. put up a mine in the middle, some nade traps at the side of the streat for the ensuing battle, use them to your advantage in an ambush, not at the door othe cache, plus, if you see a nade trap infront of a random door, you know the cache is in it.


b)
Insurgents should have a medic like Taliban have, the civilian guy should used as scout, for example give him a small uav function for 50-150 m or whatever around him.


they have colaberators with a hook, medic pack, and eppipin, what else is needed

also, the uav would make no sence.. suquads would send him out in front and he would be able to communicate to the team where everything is... also, i dont think it is possible to only have a uav radar on one person, more uav radar on 10 ppl only shown to the person with a sertian kit...


c)
Give coalition forces faster respawn times for trucks and jeeps, they should be able to pressure the insurgents and Taliban because of better supply ability of the regular army.
It would make insurgence mode often less boring.


inrugency is not boring on a server being admined.

have trans-squads made to trans the team arround, and it will be the best game you ever play


4) Ralley Point
Both suggestions will bring more action to PR by let enemies meet each other more often.
a)
I think it’s a big problem, you can do what you want, the time will come where some enemies simply walk near and your RP will disappear.
I think a Ralley Point is a HQ and should be taken by firefight, shoot the guys down and then knife the RP.
Or let RP only disappear if enemies are 5m close to them.
The problem of spawn kills, this is the problem a squad and every player should deal with, now you can spawn rape too if you alone...

So please let RPs rest until they were really fought down.

it used to be like this, and it was fun, but ppl would put them in hard to get places, like where one squad can kill an entire team, and while the e are surrounding you, if its in a good spot, you should be able to shoot them from your rally and keep it up long enofe to move and retreat with the rally



b)
There is a lack of squadleaders, so I suggest you, let squadleader make RPs with one man in a squad but nobody near him!
Nobody want forever beg mates to come to that position or to another position, they play and you wait and wait. Make a squadleader stronger, let him be creative in his tactics without beg squadmates. So a good player can stay alive and make RPs for his squad in the end best careful players will be best squadleaders because everyone want be in a squad with action and not in one on the carrier.

no. the squad leader only needs him and one other to make a rally now, i liked it better whene it had to be half a squad to set one, now there is more lone wolfing then ever, and less teamwork...
this will just encurage loanwolfing by the squad leader sneaking alone to a flank while his squad fights, and sets a rally at the flank and repeats till all the e are dead....



5) Points and Firebase
There are people who try to spam firebases in open because they want get points for statistic, they don’t care about safety.
Lower points for building and transport and so on, give more points for taking or defend flags/caches, taking mg out/revive people.


you would be supprised how hard it is to find a fb in the open, and alot of times, the firebase in the open is actually in very good cover, as you can defend the surrounding area easier.


6) Pilots
Pilots are careless, how often they lose again and again helis. How often they try to land troops in front of my rifle/mg/apc whatever.
They don’t think about stealth and safe transport.
People will learn only with sanctions.
Please let a pilot who lost his heli get many negative points and (!) double spawn time of the heli he just lost, so other guy can try himself as pilot.
A carrier should have faster spawn time for boats so noob pilots would not be able to destroy a game play.



a pilot is only as good as the information given to him, if there is a commander, keep him informed of fb and aa locations, if not, use team chat, and lett the pilots, aa here, or fb w/ possible aa here.

if you want to keep the pilots from crashing choppers, stop telling us to go to hot zones, where we get shot trying to get into you, or trying to get out of a to hot of an area.....also, stacking time spwans, i am not sure, but i belive is hardcoded, atleast for vheicals, but the players can do it, but, w/e

plus, the helo allready punished a team alot, for having less/no helo trans for the 5 min wiat, and the atleast 11 tickets less, atleast.



7) MG
Undeployed MG should be less accurate.
MG is for fire support and for room clearing.

its not for room clearing... unless you wanna spray and pray.. its to heavy, and hard to control if your clearing a room, it is good for supprising fire, and thats all it should be good for.


8 ) Tanks
I want big tank battles with 20-30 tanks on each side. Now kashan desert is boring but if you let everyone handle own tank/aa (like USI) +1-2 helis/jets, it would be nice. Kashan desert, kozelsk would good for that.


this is impossble in game, due to there being 2 man tanks for each team, it would be at most 16 tanks, and that would mean everyone would be in a tank, on a full server.. this, no offence, would fail badly... not everyone like driving/gunning tanks.

and if you are saying one man controls tanks and gun, that is unrealistic, and means you contridict your self where in a post you tell herbii that he should watch his feet for mines becuase its real, but one man tanks is nowhere near real, i think in real life, its like 5 man in a tank.. not sure thow.

9) Maps
Need more maps with buildings, place on maps like mestia (baraccuda...) simply more buildings, something like 3 villages to capture!


make your own map... most ppl who are on the forums scince 07 and still browse have/are working on a map for the mod.


10) Mines
Make mines like FH2 and let people mark them like there!


dont play fh2 so i dont know how that is.

[RPG-Gunner]

Originally Posted by snooggums

Currently in PR dead players that leave a squad cannot rejoin the same squad or join another until they respawn.

You answered to a guy who is good example for people who spam in my thread but never read the manual!

Originally Posted by Dev1200

Comments are in Bold, Italics, and Underlined.
Then A squad leader could just drop in enemy territory, place a rally, and have his squad members spawn in afterwards. Which.. would be really stupid.

By now SL and another guy can do the same for the rest of the squad!

Originally Posted by Dev1200

20-30 tanks = 40-60 players. Make a 120+ player server work with BF2.. =P And kashan isn't boring.. you just have to, again, be in the right server. This would also kill the infantry portion of kashan, which is pretty epic.

Come on guy, there stand 1 player in tank...

Originally Posted by bloodthirsty_viking

and if you are saying one man controls tanks and gun, that is unrealistic, and means you contridict your self where in a post you tell herbii that he should watch his feet for mines becuase its real, but one man tanks is nowhere near real, i think in real life, its like 5 man in a tank.. not sure thow.

Modern tanks need 3-4 crewmen not 5, but however 2 men tank is same unrealistic as one man tank, but the simulation of big tank battles would be possible with one man tanks.

Originally Posted by bloodthirsty_viking

make your own map... most ppl who are on the forums scince 07 and still browse have/are working on a map for the mod.

This is a section for suggestions to the devs, isnt it?
However, where are all the maps from you and people you mentioned

Originally Posted by Herbiie

And I treat New Players nicely, but, as this fellow pointed out he's been on these forums for two years, and so he isn't a new player and therefore should know better. IMHO he is just a noob and is bringing up lots of ideas that will attract even more noobs to the game who constantly are using the Tab button to check on their precious precious score... Also he put down several Ideas mos of which had been put down by other people...

You are registered on this forum since august 2009!
Please think about it!

[scope]

* For Arjan's sake *

As politely as I can...I disagree with everything from the original post. Those suggestions all seem (to me) like an attempt to return to vBF2. Hopefully none of these ideas will ever be implemented in the game.

[arjan]

Originally Posted by scope

* For Arjan's sake *

As politely as I can...I disagree with everything from the original post. Those suggestions all seem (to me) like an attempt to return to vBF2. Hopefully none of these ideas will ever be implemented in the game.

Im proud of you j/k
But yes, thats a nice way of saying things instead off calling him names.
You can leave it for yourself if you have opinions about someone else.