Knives. Do we really need them?

[qaiex]

Originally Posted by [R-DEV]Chuc

Alternate weapon functions like melee attacks are not possible as far as we know in BF2.

What if it was made like the source engine where a melee attack is just a bullet that only travels a certain distance?

[E4$Y]

Originally Posted by Dr2B Rudd

well, bayonets maybe. But with the engine limitation that we cannot have shooting and knifing on the same weaponslot, would be best to remove it all.

though on INS....can't arrest without. hmmm

Take it from conventional maps and leave it on ins maps?

Originally Posted by HellDuke

What's wrong with that?

I say remove it only and ONLY if you really need a slot for something very very usefull and vital. Since the #1 thing you must have is your rifle, but #2 what you must always carry with yourself is a knife (not in every day life on the streets, though it is welcome as long as you don't start killing people).

I mean, if you lack the skill and don't want to risk taking out someone with the knife so no one would hear that and you'd still have the element for surprise for a short while then by all means don't. But don't make it so other people who are able to do so couldn't either.

That's a valuable asset really. Once on ghost train we lost temple (damn brits took it back) and were going for the next flag. They left 1 squad behind. So me and another guy went down and knifed the squad and "dug in". The ones that left didn't know what happened until the flag was lowered and half of our team was already there in defence (much better then trying to break through a bunch of enemies eh?)

Yeah. it's valuable and all, but the way it's used is not too much realistic maybe? It saves me in alot of situations, saved me yesterday 2 times, so i know what you mean. But IMO, it's not needed for anything else than i said before.

[HellDuke]

Not sure how it's unrealistic. If i come arround the corner and meet a badguy aiming at and my rifle goes click i grab my knife and charge at him (probably getting shot in the proces, but there's still a chance of succeeding and that's better than standing and waiting to get shot). I'm assuming you meant unrealistic by the fact that people are running at others with their knifes out and killing them, right?

It's not like you can put a sidearm instead because that would be unrealistic. Regular soldiers (which is the role we fill in the game) do not carry and are not trained to use handguns, only rifles. That part of training is reserved when you reach the special forces which are not in the game.

[google]

All right, all you people who are saying that you need the knives for essential reasons, I have one thing to say, stop being a lonewolf! It takes 2 or 3 guys to overrun an RP if they're all within 50m of the thing. If you get the same amount of people near a hostile FB, the enemy can't spawn on it. Also, as a squad you do usually have about 5 incendiary grenades.

Originally Posted by Wilkinson

I always use my knife as an officer. Run out of Pistol ammo in CQB, whip out my knife, and do work.

Because that's exactly the kind of arcady gameplay PR is striving for (hint, that was sarcasm)

Originally Posted by HellDuke

The knife IS important. How the hell are you going to kill of a sniper and his spoter?

A: You shoot the sniper. The spoter hears the gunfire and kills you
Alternative: You shoot the sniper. The spoter hears you and turns to fire on you but you kill him too. Now about 2 squads in the area come looking for what they expect a squad behind enemy lines. Wooptydoo. What a great way to die.

B: You knife the sniper/spoter. While over VOIP all he says is "WTF?!?" you kill the other guy. Move on. No one hears you, no one notices you.

Once again, if you aren't a lone wolf, you can shoot the two at the same time with a buddy. Also, if you can't shoot a sniper and spotter with the same mag while within knife range, then you need to work on your shooting.

[[R-CON]ReadMenace]

I love you Google -- the knife is *not* a necessary element of PR.

-REad

[WHPRaveman]

Originally Posted by qaiex

Could we add another attack mode for the weapons to bash with the buttstock instead?

Agreed best suggestion yet. How to implement I am not sure. Yes you can use your knife IRL but I don't see them being used to the degree that they are in game as of right now.


To the OP: Yes I agree that we should remove the knives.

[Redamare]

Hmmm Interesting buut ... yea i think its a needed asset .... Even though it would free up a weapon slot for misc weapons such as claymores or something fun along that nature

[Alex6714]

Well going thios route... Why not remove also grenades. They aren´t necesary too, seeing as the main objective isn´t to kill people and it just makes lonewolves better.

Rifles aswell, because you shouldn´t just be shooting poeple, you should be capping flags with teammates and flaking the enemy...




Anyway, is there actually a reason to remove it? I can´t see any?

Note: I almost never use the knife for a few reasons, but that doesn´t mean I think it should go, in a few situations its useful.

[E4$Y]

Originally Posted by HellDuke

I'm assuming you meant unrealistic by the fact that people are running at others with their knifes out and killing them, right?

Yup, that's exactly what i meant.

[ChizNizzle]

Scenario: A guy is sniping (alone) on a random hill, but at the foot of the hill another squad is ralliying...You come behind the sniper and you find out that you suddenly dont have a knife...

He can shoot, but you cannot...

Knife must stay.