Give Insurgents more grapple hooks

Meza82 · 07-02-2009, 05:39 PM

I searched but found no topics about adding more insurgent grapple hooks. please lock if I am wrong.

(*I am aware that collaborators/civilians have grapple hooks)

Insurgents seem slightly under powered when facing US or British forces in v0.85 and in 0.86. The US and British forces have light and heavy armor and gun trucks (all of which can be repaired), scoped rifles, medics, helicopters, rally points, and FOBs (with supply crates, razor-wire, and .50cal mg nests); while the insurgents have none of these.

I believe to make the insurgents more affective in combat, while still maintaining balance and realism, would be to add the grapple hook to either all insurgent regular kits –not for limited kits that spawn on caches- or just to the insurgent Cell leader and IED kits. If only the Cell leader gets the grapple hook that would be good because there are rarely ever insurgent cells (squads) with Cell leaders and this could motivate more organized cache defense. The IED insurgent kit should also get a grapple hook because they are supposed to set up an IED and then find a place with a good view to see approaching enemy vehicles.

Adding the grapple hook would be balanced and realistic because it does not provide more firepower but gives more mobility, hiding places, and map/building access to insurgents, and IRL insurgents in Iraq are all hiding places and locale access. And this allows for more insurgent ambushes against US and British forces, as IRL. This can also allow insurgents to “disappear” from firefights where they are losing by disengaging and dissolving into the environment by grappling over a small wall and escaping. This is guerilla hit-and-run tactics that insurgents use IRL. All this is a realistic metaphor for “home-field advantage” and better “knowledge” of the combat zone that insurgents are supposed to have.

Right now in 0.86, the US and British forces rarely need to look on building rooftops or balconies. I think IRL Coalition forces need to look very carefully at every roof top, balcony and window. As of now, Insurgency game-mode does seem kind of frustrating (although it is a really cool). I think this would help a lot.

gazzthompson · 07-02-2009, 06:18 PM

agree 100% .

before people say grapple hooks are unrealistic, think of them as a metaphor for being able to kick any door down and go to the roof like IRL.

steve_06-07 · 07-02-2009, 06:21 PM

I agree, some of those balconies make great machine gun nests.

Jack.DK · 07-02-2009, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by gazzthompson

agree 100% .

before people say grapple hooks are unrealistic, think of them as a metaphor for being able to kick any door down and go to the roof like IRL.

This would make gameplay very exciting i think! brilliant idea!!

503 · 07-02-2009, 06:39 PM

Hell yeah. Insurgents on rooftops would sure make the game more fun, realistic, and more tactical.

Meza82 · 07-02-2009, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by gazzthompson

agree 100% .

before people say grapple hooks are unrealistic, think of them as a metaphor for being able to kick any door down and go to the roof like IRL.

exactly. its a metaphor which makes it realistic.

do u think all insurgent regular kits should get grapple hooks? or just Cell leader and maybe the IED kits?

z0MbA · 07-02-2009, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Meza82

exactly. its a metaphor which makes it realistic.

do u think all insurgent regular kits should get grapple hooks? or just Cell leader and maybe the IED kits?

ALL KITS. yea i would enjoy moar grapples

503 · 07-02-2009, 08:03 PM

They should all get grapples. Rarely anyone uses the officer or civilian kit.

Proff3ssorXman · 07-02-2009, 09:54 PM

Agree 100%.

All kits.

Human_001 · 07-02-2009, 09:56 PM

Oh my I remember my self suggesting this topic long time ago. So is many others and everytime people make this thread majority of people agree. YET somehow we are still not getting this. Its been so long since the first suggestion.

I agree 120% on adding grapple hook to EVERY Insurgent kit. Not for giving it in limited number.

Conventional force have no problem. They can choose Enginner kit all the time. (Rifleman Specialist) And isn't in real life these soldiers with shotgun and Crowbar on his/her back there to open the locked door of civilian house? At least thats what I saw in TV and Internet. So for this matter Conventional force is realistic as is.

07-02-2009, 05:39 PM	#1
Meza82 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 274 United States of America Location: Los Angeles	Give Insurgents more grapple hooks I searched but found no topics about adding more insurgent grapple hooks. please lock if I am wrong. (*I am aware that collaborators/civilians have grapple hooks) Insurgents seem slightly under powered when facing US or British forces in v0.85 and in 0.86. The US and British forces have light and heavy armor and gun trucks (all of which can be repaired), scoped rifles, medics, helicopters, rally points, and FOBs (with supply crates, razor-wire, and .50cal mg nests); while the insurgents have none of these. I believe to make the insurgents more affective in combat, while still maintaining balance and realism, would be to add the grapple hook to either all insurgent regular kits –not for limited kits that spawn on caches- or just to the insurgent Cell leader and IED kits. If only the Cell leader gets the grapple hook that would be good because there are rarely ever insurgent cells (squads) with Cell leaders and this could motivate more organized cache defense. The IED insurgent kit should also get a grapple hook because they are supposed to set up an IED and then find a place with a good view to see approaching enemy vehicles. Adding the grapple hook would be balanced and realistic because it does not provide more firepower but gives more mobility, hiding places, and map/building access to insurgents, and IRL insurgents in Iraq are all hiding places and locale access. And this allows for more insurgent ambushes against US and British forces, as IRL. This can also allow insurgents to “disappear” from firefights where they are losing by disengaging and dissolving into the environment by grappling over a small wall and escaping. This is guerilla hit-and-run tactics that insurgents use IRL. All this is a realistic metaphor for “home-field advantage” and better “knowledge” of the combat zone that insurgents are supposed to have. Right now in 0.86, the US and British forces rarely need to look on building rooftops or balconies. I think IRL Coalition forces need to look very carefully at every roof top, balcony and window. As of now, Insurgency game-mode does seem kind of frustrating (although it is a really cool). I think this would help a lot.
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gazzthompson Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 8,287 United Kingdom Location: norfolk	Re: Give Insurgents more grapple hooks agree 100% . before people say grapple hooks are unrealistic, think of them as a metaphor for being able to kick any door down and go to the roof like IRL.
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503 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 656 United States of America	Re: Give Insurgents more grapple hooks Hell yeah. Insurgents on rooftops would sure make the game more fun, realistic, and more tactical.

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503 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 656 United States of America	Re: Give Insurgents more grapple hooks They should all get grapples. Rarely anyone uses the officer or civilian kit.

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Proff3ssorXman Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 382 Australia Location: QLD - Australia	Re: Give Insurgents more grapple hooks Agree 100%. All kits.
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Human_001 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 299	Re: Give Insurgents more grapple hooks Oh my I remember my self suggesting this topic long time ago. So is many others and everytime people make this thread majority of people agree. YET somehow we are still not getting this. Its been so long since the first suggestion. I agree 120% on adding grapple hook to EVERY Insurgent kit. Not for giving it in limited number. Conventional force have no problem. They can choose Enginner kit all the time. (Rifleman Specialist) And isn't in real life these soldiers with shotgun and Crowbar on his/her back there to open the locked door of civilian house? At least thats what I saw in TV and Internet. So for this matter Conventional force is realistic as is.
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