Servers shouldn't kick high ping players

[Incognito84]

Has it actually been proven that a high pinging player actually hurts the performance for the entire server? I remember, a few years ago, there was a lot of talk about it and it was discovered that players with high latency actually don't hurt performance for other players. When a server does encounter some server wide lag, a lot of players jump on the bandwagon, find the player with the highest ping and accuse them of "lagging the server."

I don't think it's a trend based in reality. While high ping players themselves are lagging, they aren't causing universal lag for everyone else.

So why are there so many servers with ping restrictions?

The reason I'm bringing this up now is because I was autokicked from a server for having a ping of 202m/s. For me there are hardly any servers that ping less than 150m/s and if I do connect to a server with near 300m/s, I don't think it's hurting anyone else's experience. If I have 500+ ping, then I think it causes me to appear strangely in game, but that is about it. It doesn't hurt anyone else's performance.

Any thoughts?

[Colonelcool125]

Originally Posted by Incognito84

So why are there so many servers with ping restrictions?

Because the people that pay for it get to make the rules. It's as simple as that.

If you want to change things, you should start letting server owners about the connection (or lack thereof) between high ping players and everyone else's preformance. I bet they listen to you if you present things in a well organized manner.

[Ace42]

Originally Posted by Incognito84

Has it actually been proven that a high pinging player actually hurts the performance for the entire server?

Not unless the server software was coded by an imbecile. A high-latency player should be the only one with problems, as he won't be able to hit anything. It is possible that, depending on the server software, he might warp like hell and be hard to shoot as well, but under those circumstances he'll just get disconnected through time-outs anyway or quit through frustration. He'd certainly not be able to achieve anything meaningful.

I remember, a few years ago, there was a lot of talk about it and it was discovered that players with high latency actually don't hurt performance for other players.

"Discovered" ? Anyone with a passing acquaintance with TCP/IP networking could tell you that. The "OMFG, YOU'RE LAGGING ME!" BS is propagated solely by ignorant kids that don't know what they're talking about and should be told to go eff their stupid pie-holes.

When a server does encounter some server wide lag,

Then, whether it's through the server load being too high, or the server's network being congested, or a relay between it and the player-base being borked, or whatever - the end result is always going to be high-latency players experience exponentially worse problems than the rest of the server.

So why are there so many servers with ping restrictions?

Because no-one wants a redundant player on their squad taking up a slot on the team that could be filled by someone whose connection allows them to play effectively...

The reason I'm bringing this up now is because I was autokicked from a server for having a ping of 202m/s. For me there are hardly any servers that ping less than 150m/s and if I do connect to a server with near 300m/s, I don't think it's hurting anyone else's experience.
Any thoughts?

200ms should be on the upper end of playable. Above 250ms, you're going to find your play experience severely curtailed to the point where you are tangibly handicapped.

Incidentally, if you're having trouble finding servers of a decent latency, consider applying for a server license and renting your own, or approaching a local hosting company to set one up for you to admin. If there's no servers in your region, that's a great niche to fill, and having the only PR server in korea is great bragging rights for an ISP.

[Mary.au]

Its very frustrating when I'm flying a helicopter, and someone starts buffering a youtube video, I can still fly perfectly fine but I get kicked after say 5 seconds, and a whole squad goes down because of the damn auto kick.

[Ace42]

Originally Posted by Mary.au

Its very frustrating when I'm flying a helicopter, and someone starts buffering a youtube video, I can still fly perfectly fine but I get kicked after say 5 seconds, and a whole squad goes down because of the damn auto kick.

You mean someone on your local connection leeching your bandwidth? Because a passenger in a chopper getting lagged or DCd shouldn't cause you to be kicked...

[bust331]

Originally Posted by Colonelcool125

Because the people that pay for it get to make the rules. It's as simple as that.

Like this man says.


I wouldn't want anyone lagging on my server.

I am aware it only affects the person, but it raises the average latency for the whole server, which can affect it's standings.

What if you had a server full of people with ~150ms pings?

It would make the server look horrible when searching through the server list.

[victor_phx]

The main issue is when a player lags and starts teleporting around, instead of walking, making it impossible to take him down. At least that's how I see it.

[BrotherAlex]

Ace42, I play with pings of up to 350ms, and somehow I still can be up near the top of the score board. So if you are suggesting us with high pings are ineffective player, i'm sorry you are wrong.

[Spaz]

Yeah Alex play with a high ping and is still a really good player.

[Katarn]

Higher ping players actually help server performance for the rest of the population. Fewer ticks = fewer responses = fewer calculations done and sent by the server. BF2 is playable up to 300 ping or so as long as the ping is stable. BF2 doesn't handle pings that jump up and down well at all, even if it's between 100 and 200.