Aim to fire transistion

[Anderson29]

that first video looks like the range in ft. richarson ak...where i was stationed. ill have to take a closer look.

which is best represented in game as hip firing because of the lack of shouldering the rifle but not looking down sighs (which i doubt is possible, hence why we dont have it)

unaimed shoulder fire is in game.....there is no hip fire though. so if maybe if we have more accurate unaimed fire there would be no need to look down the sites for engagements less than 30m....and add a slight zoom to aimed irons, that way you can at least see a 300m man sized target. if i remember correctly the front site post is the same width as a man sized target at 300m.

[Zimmer]

Okay do as I say:

Take a rifle and stand in a relaxed position then take your sight up as you see a old lady take the sight up as fast as possible and begin shooting. Now did you hit? "Your sick bastard aiming at a old lady and trying to shoot her."/supposed to be funny

Now on a serious note the long draw time is to deflect that you need to find your target in PR. Its alot easier in a Computer games and you must remember Soldiers arent more superhuman then you guys are sure they have polished some skills, but aslong as your not ready on scope you will suffer to a 3-5 seconds delay to get a accurate shot also in RL. The deviation is the random things that can happen wind heartbeates and so on. The scoping time is the time it takes the soldier to find the enemy in the scope and all the "get used to stuff."

I ahve tried with a saloon rifle to take it up fast and pull the trigger and I surely need around 3-4 seconds take the rifle up to my shoulder find target and fire. That was on 5 meter I need up to 7 seconds on 50meter(taking up rifle from no scoped stance.

Now I know 7 seconds is slow and that soldiers have 1337 red doth sigths and can take it up faster and take a shot, but it dosent take 7 seconds in PR either so its quite realistic, when you add on all the factores. Then you ask why dont add on deviation? Well its easier to see and aim at a targe twhen already scoped and if you move in PR you will get full deviation even scoped.

[nick20404]

Originally Posted by Zimmer

Okay do as I say:

Take a rifle and stand in a relaxed position then take your sight up as you see a old lady take the sight up as fast as possible and begin shooting. Now did you hit? "Your sick bastard aiming at a old lady and trying to shoot her."/supposed to be funny

Now on a serious note the long draw time is to deflect that you need to find your target in PR. Its alot easier in a Computer games and you must remember Soldiers arent more superhuman then you guys are sure they have polished some skills, but aslong as your not ready on scope you will suffer to a 3-5 seconds delay to get a accurate shot also in RL. The deviation is the random things that can happen wind heartbeates and so on. The scoping time is the time it takes the soldier to find the enemy in the scope and all the "get used to stuff."

I ahve tried with a saloon rifle to take it up fast and pull the trigger and I surely need around 3-4 seconds take the rifle up to my shoulder find target and fire. That was on 5 meter I need up to 7 seconds on 50meter(taking up rifle from no scoped stance.

Now I know 7 seconds is slow and that soldiers have 1337 red doth sigths and can take it up faster and take a shot, but it dosent take 7 seconds in PR either so its quite realistic, when you add on all the factores. Then you ask why dont add on deviation? Well its easier to see and aim at a targe twhen already scoped and if you move in PR you will get full deviation even scoped.

I agree at some points, but some things are wrong, It doesn't matter if you have red dot sights or anything, I have done exercises like this before with an AK and an ar15 both with iron sights, You don't need that much time for what I am suggesting I am suggesting this for close combat purposes, waiting 3-4 seconds in close combat to fire in PR means you are dead, the other person is gonna jump into prone and spray away LIKE ALWAYS, this makes close quarters battles really lame and unrealistic.

In no way am I suggesting that you can just aim you gun in a second and hit a target at 400+ meters, This is purely a suggestion on reflexes and aim in close combat, I think when you have your sights up the aim should be perfect but the gun should always be deviating into random directions to simulate breathing and other things.

It is realistic and it's a good way to get rid of all that close combat bunny hopping and snake diving.

[Ace42]

Originally Posted by nick20404

You don't need that much time for what I am suggesting I am suggesting this for close combat purposes, waiting 3-4 seconds in close combat to fire in PR means you are dead, the other person is gonna jump into prone and spray away LIKE ALWAYS, this makes close quarters battles really lame and unrealistic.

In no way am I suggesting that you can just aim you gun in a second and hit a target at 400+ meters, This is purely a suggestion on reflexes and aim in close combat, I think when you have your sights up the aim should be perfect but the gun should always be deviating into random directions to simulate breathing and other things.

It is realistic and it's a good way to get rid of all that close combat bunny hopping and snake diving.

Indeed, the main problem is that people run-and-gun like rambo, which the devs don't want, so they've upped the max and move-dev to make it impossible. The resulting problem is that the deviation reduction is painfully high ATM, which *unrealistically* turns firefights into a game of "chicken" about who holds off firing longest on sighting before opening up.

I appreciate a lot of the players equate "tactics" in the game with good ol' fashioned Quake style "corner-camping", but as I have said elsewhere, that's an illusion, it's neither realistic or "tactical", and IMO it detracts from gameplay. The fact that it's spilled over to damaging CQB is kinda disappointing too.

If it was up to me, I'd dramatically increase the move-dev, and dramatically decrease the "recovery rate" when croched / prone and stationary. The effect in game would be "move, can't hit crap at at all. The second you crouch still, you're good to go".

Possibly link this in to "sighted" (IE not firing from the hip), so that you have to be scoped to recover quickly; and naturally change the balance of the deviationss depending on the specific gun being wielded (more user-friendly ones have lower max deviation, quicker recovery - for example light weight ones, carbines, AKMS, iron-sights vs med-range scopes, etc etc). This was covered in the other thread.

[arjan]

after seeing this, in my opinion deviation is realy fake in PR, the ''cones'' or what are they called should be more tight i gues?

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