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Old 05-10-2011, 09:38 PM   #31
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According to Sebastian Junger's "War", it would take a platoon about 1 day to fill up 1 block of Hesco without building assets.

Not sure if it makes much sense in-game.

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Old 05-10-2011, 09:50 PM   #32
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According to Sebastian Junger's "War", it would take a platoon about 1 day to fill up 1 block of Hesco without building assets.

Not sure if it makes much sense in-game.
this doesnt seem to make sense. a Hesco section is give or take a ~ 1 x 1.5 x 1 meter box made of a wire frame and what i would assume to be a fabric to hold the contents in. you fill it with sand and rocks. how is it possible for it to take an entire platoon a whole day just to fill one?

but yes it is a rediculous amount of work to make one so for FOB purposes is impractical. real FOBs are setup so it makes sense, in game FOBs are more forward command post for a particular operation (ie. the radio hub for a defensive line. or where NCOs would take orders from their jr officers during a mission)

alternative: how about just a sand bag wall? high enough for you to crouch behind but low enough so standing you can shoot over it? OR just over the top of your head standing for full cover.

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Old 05-10-2011, 09:52 PM   #33
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Looks more ARMA 2 appropriate.


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Old 05-10-2011, 09:55 PM   #34
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I belive he said block as in an area, not a single unit.
Hesco would be a wonder to have in the battle feild. It could have a restriction such as all HESCOS must be in the same place, simular to the mortars. It would give an incintive to defend a base if it took 15-30 minutes to build the thing.

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Old 05-10-2011, 10:10 PM   #35
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I don't see why folks are suggesting these be a pain to set up simply because they take forever to set up IRL. Most of these deployable assets take a decent amount of time to set up IRL, but it hasn't affected their build here. Most notable asset that would take a good amount of time IRL would be the HMGs and their sandbags with camo netting, then the current razor wire.

I think these could be a good idea, being able to narrow the ways your enemy can approach/shoot at you in ways the razor wire can't. However, I don't really see the current need seeing as how the razor wire typically does a good enough job as is.
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Old 05-10-2011, 10:53 PM   #36
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I don't see why folks are suggesting these be a pain to set up simply because they take forever to set up IRL. Most of these deployable assets take a decent amount of time to set up IRL, but it hasn't affected their build here. Most notable asset that would take a good amount of time IRL would be the HMGs and their sandbags with camo netting, then the current razor wire.

I think these could be a good idea, being able to narrow the ways your enemy can approach/shoot at you in ways the razor wire can't. However, I don't really see the current need seeing as how the razor wire typically does a good enough job as is.
actually, speaking strictly of wire barriers in general, 2 men could set one up in under 3 minutes. the ones with tank traps like in game might take longer but that's really just the devs' choice for aesthetics.

the HMG itself would take less than a minute to to be setup, the sand bags around it can be set up in another 30-40 minutes with the same 2 men as before.

you gotta give soldier's more credit, we're not payed by the hour.

all the equipment necessary to build any of the current structures can be delivered on a single truck.

if you're going to be building hescos, it's not really worth it unless you go big. so that would require more equipment. i mean a short hesco wall about 5 meters wide would feel really out of place in game, where as although less realistic by today's standards, sand bags would look less out of place.

like i said the FOB in game is not really an FOB, you're main bases often are what we call IRL an FOB. the small camo net structure is really just a radio station for the platoon level. honestly to curb the constant flow of people who think the "FOB" needs more assets, i'd like the Devs to rename it an OP base (Observation Post)

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Old 05-10-2011, 11:37 PM   #37
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this doesnt seem to make sense. a Hesco section is give or take a ~ 1 x 1.5 x 1 meter box made of a wire frame and what i would assume to be a fabric to hold the contents in. you fill it with sand and rocks. how is it possible for it to take an entire platoon a whole day just to fill one?
Perhaps I was mistaken - it was a whole squad (still took one day), if anything.



I mean, look at the size of that thing! How long do you figure YOU would take to fill THAT thing up? It's much bigger than it looks!

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Old 05-11-2011, 12:40 AM   #38
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Perhaps I was mistaken - it was a whole squad (still took one day), if anything.



I mean, look at the size of that thing! How long do you figure YOU would take to fill THAT thing up? It's much bigger than it looks!
You underestimate the power of motivated soldiers being shot at. How do you think we get hescos on top of mountains?

While the preferred method of filling hescos is using a front loader, soldiers can fill them by hand. Yes is does take forever.
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Old 05-11-2011, 02:32 AM   #39
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I like the idea. This would make Fob more defensable against heavy vehicles which is good since one tank in the right position can either kill all spawning man and then kill the Fob, or simply kill the spawning man :P
I would like that with the idea of the supply truck in the first place, but later on i would like to see some kind of bulldozer or a frontloader.
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Old 05-11-2011, 05:07 AM   #40
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I still think it is inappropriate, again you're not building a real FOB, the actual FOB is your main base in most cases in game. what you're building with your truck and shovels isn't an FOB but rather an observation post or temporary command post at best, meant to be built in a few minutes, and be able to be taken down in the same amount of time to bug out.

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