Suggestion requested on new desert map: 'Udairi Desert'

[artwie]

Originally Posted by McLuv

I'm really interested in the map so far, though while I agree that you shouldn't consider Infantry in any way for the main part of the objectives (IE, capping flags), you should still try and consider them to some degree with chances for Recon/CAS spotting/Anti-tank support roles. In other words, don't just make it an asset playground, provide some areas for infantry to support, such as a few sparsely yet logically placed villages/buildings. Don't make them main objectives, either.

I agree that you should keep this as an asset based map, but I wouldn't bother worrying about the assets and their numbers yet.

Make the view distance FAR! make it about 1.5 km, and you'll get epic battles, both on the ground and in the air. I would also keep part of the map pretty flat, which would be like a "death valley" kinda thing because you'd be out in the open for a while.

But overall, it's looking good for a start.

PS. Jedimushroom, Attack choppers are in no way any more teamwork oriented than planes. I'd love to see them included, but don't just invent stuff up They are only ever as teamwork oriented as their crew are, and I've seen both the ups and the downs for both.

maybe a couple of humvees and support trucks or 2, but the mapper should keep it on tank battles and CAS

also, maybe it's a good idea of having a clear blue sky instead of the dull windy desert sky, makes the desert feel more.. hot?

[Hitman.2.5]

"CAS choppers please, they are far more teamwork oriented than planes" - Jedimushroom

Yeah sure the Helicopter has one more part of teamwork that is pilot + co-pilot team work, but a CAS jet has the same amount of teamwork because the whole team have to lase and state the grid ref of the target (which does not happen much in my experience on many pubbie games) if anything the jet has more teamwork as a chopper can go out and hunt (2 people, one unit = One person in effect = lone wolf) where as a jet needs comms with people on the ground and a spotter in his squad probably, and yes if the morral of the Chopper crew want to use team work then they will be more effective.

So the chopper and jet are really the same when using teamwork.

[Jonny]

Dont worry about assets/teams until much nearer the end, they are by far the easiest thing to change.

On your map layout there I would be inclined to loose the bunkers, and also to avoid a second military thing as much as possible. So I would turn the outpost into a second, small, village.

I would loose the easterly two bridges, too, and attempt to turn the focus of the battle into holding the passes and remaining few bridges (and possibly shallow water, but only if it ends up being necessary after release) so that if you get control of them you have then taken a real strategic location with a lot of significance for the prospects of the enemies movement.

I would also loose the MEC airfield, you can place helis in the town and have their main split between that and the village. I think that one team moving in from multiple directions would be a nice change. Just make sure that the spawn points are well covered, near the vehicles and both away from the flag.

People are obviously not wanting to see another barren desert here, so I think the solution is to add a few fields near the rivers. Along with most of the outer buildings in the settlements being destructible it should be a more interesting environment to fight in. Your main town here should look good if it is in an oasis, so with some trees in the areas just around it and grass inside. Just dont fill the map with fields, limit them to places close to the villages and to water.

Be sure the bridges are destructible too, with the changes to trucks in the next patch it should mainly be an anoyance for the BLUFOR troops rather than something to end the game. Its not as if you have to actually get across any bridge to take a flag, they are the flags.

A lot of people will disagree with me about this, but I would avoid using jets. Its a 4k map, they dont seem to fit. A decent number of scout helis would work well, IMO.

If you want really nice horizons I would up the 'view distance' to several hundred meters further than the fog and overgrowth distances and make the fog noticably darker than the lower part of your sky texture. That way you should get dark hills in the far distance, partially visible.

Be sure to layer your settlements well, single storey (kashan villages style) housing right on the outside, multi storey (Archer city style) housing a little closer to the centre, higher non-destructibles right in the middle.

When you build an oil field, you need to actually get to it dont you? Well, apparently not on kashan. Also, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...il_Rig_NT8.jpg, that bit on the right there, labeled 1, is nowhere to be seen in-game. Just put a little hut there with a decent sized tank inside if its enterable, and a pipe if they are quite sparsely placed.

Finally, one of the things about kashan that seems strange is the lack of effort in the surrounding terrain, itts just too flat. Another is the fact that you have massive undulations in one part, but flat plains a few hundred meters away. I would stick with the flatter areas, but not perfectly flat, there should be plenty of hull-down opportunities rather hide-the-whole-team places.

[Hitman.2.5]

Not eough jets in maps these days and the maps that do have em arnt played much, nice idea tho, kinda like bringing back zatar but in the desert and no carrier ofc.

Isnt kashan and qinling a 4km map the jets fit pretty well on those maps?

[Eagle345]

Originally Posted by PlaynCool

If we create a new faction called Usa and Britain then have half of the players with the US geometries and half of the players with the British ones, and half the comm rose with British accent, half with US accent(like the comm rose for EU forces) basicly its going to be British and US simulated by one team, is that possible?

That's extremely possible..extremely tedious but possible worth it in my opinion too! Imagine, a convoy of Challengers and LAV's rolling in with air cover from Cobra's and CAS from Tornado's (With desert skins of course lol). Then the Chinooks! ooooooh the chinooks..

As for the terrain of the map itself, i would make the sky blue, sick of the depressing dark gloomy hell holes. I agree with Mcluv, 1km at the least would make for some EPIC tank battles and recon missions. As for assets, those are what distracted me when i made my first map. I was like "Ok i made a hill, and a flag, 2 spawnpoints, NOW I WANT TEH COBRA!!!". Once you get the terrain down , and the sky and undergrowth, etc, you will know what to put. I mean you shouldn't completely forget what your making this map for (Uber Tank battles and Great Teamwork) keep the kind of vehicles you're going to use in the back of your head. Put some nice Tank dug-ins here and there, some detailed positions for the vehicles, you get mah wift?

Anyways I love the way this map is looking!it would be ahmazin if it was Russia .vs. US/GB Coalition.

Good luck.

EDIT: After reading some of the other posts above, i agree a jet-less map would be well....needed to say the least. Coming from a man who absolutely LOVES fixed-wing.
The way bf2 engine limits the aircraft, i think it's a disgrace to have an almost super-sonic fighter, be stuck cruising at 1200 whatever's (Never seen a unit of measurement for the speed) and stall at 5000 feet. It would feel a lot more.....well it would just feel right.

It would eliminate all of those 12 year-old "Aces" from taking off from the parking spaces. Plus, i really wanna see that V-22!!!

[Rafik_63]

Personally i think infantry combat (half vehicular and half infatry based would be best IMO) would be very interesting in this sort of map, would need real cooperation in terms of CAS as well as real contact drills and the possibility of very LONG range firefights that could realistically last quite a while, just have a few patches of ground greened over with a few trees and bushes (something reminiscient of afghan terrain perhaps).

just a few thoughts.....

[mp5punk]

looks good keep it up.

[NuclearBanane]

Originally Posted by frankboer

Due to lack of interest this concept was cancelled.

Hey um if no one else is interseted i would like to have a go at it, al be it need soem work but nothing i can't handle

i am new to mapping but i want something to help me out, so if no one is on the project i'd like to give it ago?

-nuke

Note: I would Change the asset list and the layout a tad bit because of requested assets
but i have taken note of all the comments here and in other places \

i would be more then happy to see ur vision come true but something need changing