[Ideas] PR Future Engine Ideas and Suggestions

[Tannhauser]

I'm not sure, but the Dunia engine (Far Cry 2) seems to be very interesting and has neat dynamics. I guess if they ever release an SDK for the game we could check out how far it can go? Right now, mapping for Far Cry 2 is just insanely easy and it could make wonders if we ever modded it for PR standards.
Let's cross fingers and see if we can expand the limit to 64? I'm sure we can, they probably reduced it for lag/networking issues being rushed to release the game early? (I'm sure FC2 devs weren't thinking of releasing the game with uber-invincible mercenaries that can only die with headshots lol, they just didn't have the time at Ubisoft to test/fix those things I guess)

But i'm no coder or anything, it'd be up to the team here to check it out.
Sorry if that was already answered, I didn't read the whole thread like I usualy do.

[eggman]

Originally Posted by Raic

Just wondering, how does people see 'id Tech 4' aka 'Doom 3 engine'.
Out dated? Looking that id is looking to open-source it after they release their next game (can't remember the name, EDIT: Rage) so adding features you need should be possible ie, squads. Enemy territory already has big maps, so I bet its possible to stretch the limits.

Standalone PR!

Rage is using the same Doom 3 engine extensions that were used in ET:QW. Currently, with ET:QW anyways, maps are limited to 2sq km and players limited to 32 (might even be 24). Rage may extend either of those, not sure. But the Doom 3 engine does not support large outdoor maps (if you call 2 sq km large). For that you need the extensions to the Doom 3 engine used in ET:QW and Rage.

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[[R-DEV]Deadfast]

Originally Posted by [R-DEV]eggman

ArmA 1 features materials indicate 100+ players. ArmA 2 features materials indicate 50+ players. I am not aware of any reports of stable and regular gameplay at 100+ players with ArmA 1. Anytime I tried ArmA 1 when it originally came out servers were laggy and buggy with 30+ players. I recently re-installed now that the ACE is out, but I've not had time to play much. Still rarely see servers with more than 40 slots.

The international Conflict tournament (International Conflict: Armed Assault) states to have a record of 126 players on one server, with the usual average around 100 per battle.

...We have an average of about 100 players in each battle with 126 players being the record...

Don't ask me how bad the lag was though - I'm not a part of it

[Tannhauser]

Originally Posted by Sabre_tooth_tigger

does moddb engine has squad mechanics?

Good question, is there possibility of making a working Teams-Subteam-Player gestion system in the Torque engine proposed to the winner of this year's ModDB contest?
Being open source I guess it is... But what about Voip and Q/T rose goodies like BF2? And again, wouldn't EA be bitching at us if by making PR into another engine, we'd use concept they initially implemented in BF2?

[eggman]

Originally Posted by Tannhauser

I'm not sure, but the Dunia engine (Far Cry 2) seems to be very interesting and has neat dynamics. I guess if they ever release an SDK for the game we could check out how far it can go? Right now, mapping for Far Cry 2 is just insanely easy and it could make wonders if we ever modded it for PR standards.
Let's cross fingers and see if we can expand the limit to 64? I'm sure we can, they probably reduced it for lag/networking issues being rushed to release the game early?

Dunia is an evolution of "Yeti" (which was used in GRAW). Yeti is based on Unreal 2.5. I really doubt that it's easy to alter the Dunia engine to support more players than what FC2 ships with. Mapping is an important aspect of modding, but is only 1 part of it. There is no "SDK" for FC2 modding and I don't know of plans to release one (may people have been bitching about this and no response from Ubisoft).

So it's about as well supported as BF2 modding (only with a much better map editor). And fewer players. But the world / maps are huge and the visuals outstanding.

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[Raic]

If they win the engine licence aren't they allowed to add or remove any features they want? This requires a guy with ability to read the code and put the needed lines there though. Or have I misunderstood things?

Originally Posted by [R-DEV]eggman

Rage is using the same Doom 3 engine extensions that were used in ET:QW. Currently, with ET:QW anyways, maps are limited to 2sq km and players limited to 32 (might even be 24). Rage may extend either of those, not sure. But the Doom 3 engine does not support large outdoor maps (if you call 2 sq km large). For that you need the extensions to the Doom 3 engine used in ET:QW and Rage.

egg

Rage uses 'id tech 5' not 4.
But aye, It might be that MegaTexture technology won't "ship" with the source.

[Tannhauser]

Originally Posted by [R-DEV]eggman

But the world / maps are huge and the visuals outstanding.

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True.. and sad that Dunia is a no no.. Damn.
Now, killed all my dreams of playing PR on 16km maps like northern/southern Leboa-Selato haha! Tough i'd be pissed at getting my M1A2 stuck in those narrow canyons or at my firebase being caught in a savana-fire lmao!
Thanks for the info Egg

[eggman]

Originally Posted by Deadfast

The international Conflict tournament (International Conflict: Armed Assault) states to have a record of 126 players on one server, with the usual average around 100 per battle.

Don't ask me how bad the lag was though - I'm not a part of it

That's interesting... I do wonder what the lag is like. In BF2 high pings from one player can disrupt an entire server, so I am curious how that is with ArmA. I've always found it to be laggy / buggy multiplayer, but I haven't played online for a while (but plan to again now that ACE is out).

Originally Posted by Tannhauser

Good question, is there possibility of making a working Teams-Subteam-Player gestion system in the Torque engine proposed to the winner of this year's ModDB contest?

Yes, there is work already done in this area on TGEA.

Originally Posted by Tannhauser

Being open source I guess it is... But what about Voip and Q/T rose goodies like BF2? And again, wouldn't EA be bitching at us if by making PR into another engine, we'd use concept they initially implemented in BF2?

The Comm Rose is a decent idea, but there are other ways of implementing the same functionality. VOIP is critical, there are some solutions for TGEA, but they are pretty basic. I'd love to see a solution like ArmA's "VON" stuff. That didn't work when I first played ArmA, but Fuzzhead indicated ot me that it is now working and I checked it out and it's quite cool (but still has a few fundamental problems).

Originally Posted by Raic

If they win the engine licence aren't they allowed to add or remove any features they want? This requires a guy with ability to read the code and put the needed lines there though. Or have I misunderstood things?

Yes, but it would be more like 6 to 8 coders required to make any kind of reasonable progress given the complexity of something like PR. And that would just be on engine extensions and missing functionalities. There would be another 12 to 20 people developing / migrating assets.

Originally Posted by Raic

Rage uses 'id tech 5' not 4.
But aye, It might be that MegaTexture technology won't "ship" with the source.

Interesting. Afaik ET:QW uses "id tech 4", so I assume that 5 is yet another set of evolutions. Not sure which one they will open source, but I'd be surprised if it was the megatexture feature as that, afaik, is the single largest innovation in the id engine technology and I doubt they would want to give that away just yet.

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Crysis Massive Battle

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[CodeRedFox]

While it is allot of player/AI going on you can also see the edge of the map. Which makes me wonder how big the map is.