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Old 10-30-2008, 08:13 AM   #41
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This is how it should be in PR also. As you can see on the video Tunguska has massive recoil and it fires only short bursts (= overheats fast). So implement that into the game and it wont be such an overkill anymore.
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Old 10-30-2008, 10:23 AM   #42
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I wouldn't call that massive recoil, but it definitely seems to have some effect, the cannons probably computer targeted so it probably compensates for it anyway I'd imagine.

Good news about the hummer though, the cannons not gonna be as good as the others - although the Brits don't even have one so at least it's something - but think how much quicker and more manoeuvrable it's gonna be.
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Old 10-30-2008, 11:10 AM   #43
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I wouldn't call that massive recoil, but it definitely seems to have some effect, the cannons probably computer targeted so it probably compensates for it anyway I'd imagine.
Yeah, maybe massive is not exact definition, but combine that kind of recoil, burst lenght and long distance to moving - or even stationary - target and count how long is the time interval you actually can have hits on target. And there's not any automatic recoil correction seen on the vid.
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Old 10-30-2008, 11:18 AM   #44
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There's certainly a couple degrees of recoil, but it's nothing massive. Far less than a regular tank firing.

It looks like there are two 1-second bursts (@ 35 seconds), which means 160 rounds rounds. 10 30mm rounds on target will do at least enough damage to send anything other than maybe an A10, or heavy attack helicopter home, if not into the dirt. 20 rounds and your target should be pretty much guaranteed KIA.

In other words, it may not fire for very long, but it doesn't have to.

I agree that there is no recoil correction, but based on the vid, the suspension bottoms out in the rear, and the overall muzzle climb could probably be easily compensated for after some learning. Not sure we'll even see that in game.
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Old 10-30-2008, 01:13 PM   #45
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i can see that avenger getting into a lot of trouble.


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Old 10-30-2008, 01:16 PM   #46
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Yep, all I'm saying the recoil and lenght of burst are not nearly as same as in the game.

Edit: Actually, lenght of burst is almost same: about 3 secs in PR, longest on the vid about 1 + 2 secs with about 0.5 sec break. But in PR there is no recoil at all, so all together the difference is noticeable.
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Old 10-30-2008, 06:04 PM   #47
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^^They can probably fire for a bit longer without overheating than demonstrated in that vid. As for recoil, these things do have fire control systems that should make it much easier to shoot even if the recoil is massive. We in PR, do not.
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Old 10-31-2008, 05:21 AM   #48
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^^They can probably fire for a bit longer without overheating than demonstrated in that vid. As for recoil, these things do have fire control systems that should make it much easier to shoot even if the recoil is massive. We in PR, do not.
Yes but what you see there gives you an image how it is used in real world. Speculation doesn't.
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Old 10-31-2008, 05:35 AM   #49
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Finding out the maximum burst capability of an autocannon is very hard. Even our official Military Advisor's have trouble getting reliable sources on that kind of information.

As for balance, making all AAV's require two operators is a possibility. It will still be asymmetrical either way though.

Psykogundam, I wouldn't worry about the Avenger. We have several options to try and improve the AA missiles in game.


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Old 10-31-2008, 05:42 AM   #50
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Another thing is the rounds self-destructing, I'd love to create flak fire..

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