The PR Navy: Patrol Boats and Light Ships

[Rudd]

Originally Posted by [R-DEV]Rhino

and what about the Brits, PLA, MEC etc?

an asymmetrical map where the Brits/US in the guise of marines have to use their water mobility to win the map?

[M.Warren]

Originally Posted by [R-DEV]Rhino

and what about the Brits, PLA, MEC etc?

Ah, good question. I can understand your perspective on balancing team assets, but at the same time this isn't unusual. It would be great if we could accept something of this nature in an asymmetrical manner.

Originally Posted by Dr2B Rudd

an asymmetrical map where the Brits/US in the guise of marines have to use their water mobility to win the map?

Exactly Rudd.

Take the map "Jabal Al Burj" for example. Do MEC have helicopters? No. But what the MEC team does have alot of geography to work on without relying heavily on transportation like the U.S.M.C may have to.

Does the British forces on "Fools Road" have tanks like Militia? No. But the British teams infantry is far superior with scoped weapons, medics and Heavy Anti-Tank.

Now to paint a picture for the battle to take place:

Originally Posted by M.Warren

Imagine the map "Bi Ming" with it's dense forested woodland and it's interweaving rivers and streams of varying depth. Now, take that setting and multiply it to a size of "Fools Road" with a number of flags relatively nearby to the shoreline. Now that's what I'm talking about.

So, we then set up the U.S.M.C. on assault against the PLA on Counter Attack mode. The U.S.M.C. Team uses the boats to travel the numerous rivers and streams on the map in order to get to these numerous flag zones as secretly as possible. The PLA must defend these locations the best they can.

Of course people may be thinking. "Well if this is Counter Attack mode, what do the Chinese get?". I would suggest giving the Chinese a "bleed" factor after so many flags are taken with a new twist instead.

If the Chinese team survives the assault I'd suggest giving them a hefty ticket increase rather than giving them vehicles for compensation. Now the game enters the theme of standard AAS mode, as the U.S.M.C. team failed to covertly take the enemy position in stealth, so now the engagement breaks out in to a fullfledged battle.

So in the end, if the U.S.M.C. uses thier boats for transportation and stealth to capture flags, they may become the victor. If not... Then the Chinese will have thier moment of vengeance with a serious ticket count to make the U.S.M.C. muster up all thier options to pull it back together.

What you think?

[[R-CON]ReadMenace]

Originally Posted by Dr2B Rudd

an asymmetrical map where the Brits/US in the guise of marines have to use their water mobility to win the map?

Or just do a bit of research as the PLA(N) and the Royal Marines or whatnot both maintain riverine forces.

Perhaps introduce the equivalent of a support truck for riverine maps, being able to deploy bunkers/firebases on the shore as repair & rearm points for boats & troops. Light patrol ships being the equivalent of Tanks & APCs for riverine forces.

-REad

[Nitneuc]

Another great suggestion from M.Warren

What about the boghammers for MEC ? It's a cheap Swedish-made patrol boat. They can be armed with various weapons, mostly HMG.

I've just read "Mission Seafighter" (James Cobb) where this kind of boat are used against UN forces by an hypothetic African union.

[Rudd]

Originally Posted by ReadMenace

Or just do a bit of research as the PLA(N) and the Royal Marines or whatnot both maintain riverine forces.
-REad

Ofc I know this, but as far as I've seen, only US models have been done of which PR may be able to appropriate if the decision is taken to do so and the other mods can be compensated appropriately.

[[R-CON]ReadMenace]

Originally Posted by Dr2B Rudd

Ofc I know this, but as far as I've seen, only US models have been done of which PR may be able to appropriate if the decision is taken to do so and the other mods can be compensated appropriately.

I had to refresh like 10 times 'til that picture loaded, then I lol'd.

I'd be happy to start working on naval vehicles for different factions once I'm done with my current project. Lets make it happen Cap'n.

-REad

[[R-DEV]Eddie Baker]

Warren, patrol boats and larger patrol craft get suggested pretty often. The USN RPB (formerly USMC Small Unit Riverine Craft) and MKV SOC especially. BTW, Sea Spectre is not the designation for the MKV. It is the designation for the old PB MK IV. That mod got the name wrong, but the model is very nice.

For those interested, the current RIVRONs also have Riverine Assault Boats (variants of the Special Operations Craft- Riverine used by the SBTs) and recently picked up a single CB90 for use as an experimental Riverine Command Boat.

Originally Posted by ReadMenace

One thing that might increase the utilization of RIBs ingame would be an increased speed, though I'm unsure of their current top speed, according to FAS, it should be 45knots.

You're probably looking at the specs for the 11m NSW RIB, which is not the type depicted in game. Every ship carries an RIB or two of varying size for general utility (light cargo, VBSS, rescue, etc.), but these are not the dual 500hp water-jet equipped monsters used by the SBTs and one of the MEUs(SOC).

Originally Posted by Harrod200

Brits;
Archer class patrol vessel
3x GPMG, 20mm cannon

Dunno about MEC, there are several possibilities for PLA(N).

Archer-class patrol craft are only used by the RN detachment at Gibraltar, Harrod. And as I often say, not everything has to have an equivalent on every team.

The Rigid Raiders and Combat Support Boats, used by the RM and RE respectively, do not have weapons mounts. If the capability isn't there, we can't give it to them.

[Harrod200]

Originally Posted by [R-DEV]Eddie Baker

Archer-class patrol craft are only used by the RN detachment at Gibraltar, Harrod. And as I often say, not everything has to have an equivalent on every team.

Ok, TBH that was the only thing I could find that was suitable for the UK. Couldn't even find any pics with the optional 20mm on it, so I kinda guessed it wasn't exactly a vessel used in hot mid-east patrols.

I'd imagine that in areas like 'stan, we would be at a major disadvantage when patrolling rivers, given the forested green zones either side of them; kinda like the yanks in Vietnam. Can't be too enjoyable chugging down narrow rivers lined with trees and undergrowth so thick you can't even see more than a couple of metres in.

[[R-DEV]Outlawz7]

Originally Posted by Tirak

Zatar Wetlands as well, PBs would really open up all kinds of new options, also, while most people do drive and ditch boats, I've seen squads who stick with them and they are frighteningly effective, they show up, attack from a side people don't expect, they've got speed, flexability and if they need it, a .50 cal gun on it (Though I'd like to see the RIIBs made like the Littlebirds, a version with and without weapons), and that's just with the RIIBs. New maps could capitalize on this as well and there's already a map in the works for the Aussies called Island Chain that this would be perfect on.

I'm actually surprised why no one thought of adding RIBs to Zatar for both sides, the map is full of rivers and has sea.

[Sabre_tooth_tigger]

Sounds good and how about the chinook or blackhawk even being able to deploy a small boat










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