Minimaps, 9mm sidearms and more..

[Jonny]

And that counts no matter where you are hit? even if it only just breaks the skin? (which is not possible to simulate in the engine without random damage values BTW, which are currently not used)

[DeltaFart]

Thought I was going to cry when he said the 9mm should be 1 hit kill The 9mm has what 100 some on grains in it? It goes right through the person because of speed, not making alot of damage, while the 7.62 and 5.56 are always 250 grains plus, going a lot faster.
Just because its 9mm it's still only a pistol

[Jonny]

um, 9mm para ~ 120 gr
7.62 ~ 146.6 gr
5.56 ~ 62 gr

[BloodBane611]

I'm not getting this whole SVD ROF thing. It's semi-auto, it will fire as fast as you can pull the trigger. What's wrong with it?

[DeltaFart]

Originally Posted by Jonny

um, 9mm para ~ 120 gr
7.62 ~ 146.6 gr
5.56 ~ 62 gr

Is the 556 really onlny 62? Wow if it wasn't for the speed, the 9mm would be a better thing to shoot at insurgents with
But yeah, I only use 30-06 and 45 so I wouldn't know that

[Jonny]

Yeah, I just looked on wikipedia for some rough values, I thought the 5.56 was lighter from the balistics I did.

[[R-CON]ReadMenace]

Originally Posted by Jonny

Yeah, I just looked on wikipedia for some rough values, I thought the 5.56 was lighter from the balistics I did.

5.56 cartdiges that have been used by the US military range from 55gr to (M193) to 77gr (Mk262 mod1).

The current standard is 62gr (M855).

-REad

[[R-MOD]Spec]

So, if 9mm does not penetrate a cevlar helmet, and (maybe?) does not cause too much damage to the person when it doesnt (but i imagine it like a pretty hard "knock" against your head, wich should be dangerous... maybe someone knows more...) Why is the 9mm also 1 shot kill against enemies with helmets? How many bullets would one need to penetrate the helmet or to cause enough inner damage? How high is the chance to hit the face instead of the helmet? How lethal is a shot in the face, if the bullet does for any reason not hit the brain? How long would one be able to shoot?


Its probably not important enough i guess...
But i'd really want to know how dangerous a hit with 9mm against your helmet is.

[DeltaFart]

it's hit detection, you can't make it sense a helmet, first because BF2 engine stinks, second it's not fair gameplay wise, if you're an insurgent with no armor, against a marine and you shoot him with a BHP, and he doesn't die(this is iall ingame) you're gign to get mad and stop playing mod becvause you can't kill him
Now, with my experiences with teh 9mm in game, I put a whole magazine into the guys before they go down

[[R-MOD]Spec]

Well, killing unarmored targets takes way less bullets anyway (One 7.62)
And since most soldiers got helmet, why not require 2 hits at the head (simulating a 50-50 chance to hit the face) only for 9mm? (Not used often - by both, insurgents and military. Only militia has quite a few SMGs in prolly a similar caliber, but with full auto it shouldnt really matter)

Just thinking, isnt that more realistic then?
Or is the chance of critical wound without penetration high enough to justify one hit kill?

(leaving the game balance out for a moment)