Bunny Hopping and Dolphin Diving

Maj.b00bz · 11-09-2005, 07:46 AM

Greetings all, first time poster here. I've been lurking in the sidelines watching different mods for some time now. This mod seems to be the most promising as far as getting a "real" game in play.

I'll start off my 1st post with a simple suggestion and let the players, developers, trolls and computer studs tell me why this can or won't ever happen.

Why not tie in jumping and diving into stamina? Try this

Take a knee = 10% stamina reduction
One jump = 25% stamina reduction
One dive = 50% reduction

Before you bash me with a baseball bat, understand my logic comes from my 4 years as USMC infantry (0311, 2/7 Fox from 89-93). The gear you carry weighs a LOT. Even the simple act of taking a knee takes effort. After any training ranges and combat assaults I was physically exhausted. Not to mention my experience in Desert Storm loaded up with extra ammo for the saw, grenades, radio batteries, M-16 magazines, etc. Infantry work is exhausting, PRMM should mirror that.

Beckwith · 11-09-2005, 09:13 AM

First of all welcome to the PR Forums,

I and pretty much everyone else here agrees that bunny hopping/ prone diving should some how be taken out, iv seen several mods try and tie it to the stamina bar to varied degrees of succes i dont know if it can be done to the rite extent that way however i like to see it attempted

Maj.b00bz · 11-09-2005, 11:10 AM

Thanks for the welcome.

I don't think it should be removed, in fact I think it's a necessary feature. If you can't jump over a small obstacle then you get the retarded sort of infantry play you see in a game like World War II online.

It needs to be tweaked. I would think any modification of the feature would be better than it is now.

Beckwith · 11-09-2005, 11:19 AM

no it definetly shouldnt be removed but yes it does need work and it is something i can assure you the devs are attempting to set rite since the release of the BF2 demo its been an often discussed issue on this forum

Figisaacnewton · 11-09-2005, 07:46 PM

Major, I think the stamina reduction on changing stances is an excellent idea.

maybe take those numbers and chop em in half, with the exception of jumping, which should stay at 1/4.

the only problem is that there is no way to make it so you cannot do stamina reducing activities if you have no stamina left.

even if you go up and down and up and down 100 times, you can still just keep doing it, you just can't run fast...

but if this problem is ever overcome somehow, than this would be an excellent addition (as well as redone stance changing animations, but thats a ways off) to the mod.

Most original idea ive heard in a while btw.

BrokenArrow · 11-09-2005, 08:07 PM

yeah good thoughts

Maj.b00bz · 11-10-2005, 06:47 AM

Thanks for the feedback.

Cutting the numbers in half would still be acceptable. In addidtion taking a knee would not be as costly and you recover fast enough that it would only be a second or two before the coding limitation with not being able to use a stamina function if you're out. But is that such a bad thing? You would be forced to conserve your energy. Just like real life. No more turning yourself blue in the face every 30 seconds. Honestly. I was in the top shape of my life back then. I judged every distance I had to run carefully. You simply just don't take off running across distances you know you can't cover in one short sprint. You can only physically exhaust yourself two or three times in a row with an all out run before you start recovering more and more slowly. Do that all day and you'll be dead by afternoon.

{GD}geogob · 11-10-2005, 10:23 AM

Bunny Hopping and Dolphin Diving...

... will get you kicked from the GD server.

But seriously, this is an issue, and not just in this game. On thing about dolphin diving is that it's simply too easy to get an accurate shot after jumping flat on the ground. I my mind that would be easy to fix.

Enforcer1975 · 11-10-2005, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by {GD}geogob

Bunny Hopping and Dolphin Diving...

... will get you kicked from the GD server.

But seriously, this is an issue, and not just in this game. On thing about dolphin diving is that it's simply too easy to get an accurate shot after jumping flat on the ground. I my mind that would be easy to fix.

I get shot half the time a guy thinks he is flipper

The other half it's like shooting clay pigeons.

Hitperson · 11-10-2005, 11:11 AM

Great idea. I usually find the M249,PKM and shotgun ideal for rabbit shooting

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11-09-2005, 07:46 AM	#1
Maj.b00bz Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 103 Location: Tchad	Bunny Hopping and Dolphin Diving Greetings all, first time poster here. I've been lurking in the sidelines watching different mods for some time now. This mod seems to be the most promising as far as getting a "real" game in play. I'll start off my 1st post with a simple suggestion and let the players, developers, trolls and computer studs tell me why this can or won't ever happen. Why not tie in jumping and diving into stamina? Try this Take a knee = 10% stamina reduction One jump = 25% stamina reduction One dive = 50% reduction Before you bash me with a baseball bat, understand my logic comes from my 4 years as USMC infantry (0311, 2/7 Fox from 89-93). The gear you carry weighs a LOT. Even the simple act of taking a knee takes effort. After any training ranges and combat assaults I was physically exhausted. Not to mention my experience in Desert Storm loaded up with extra ammo for the saw, grenades, radio batteries, M-16 magazines, etc. Infantry work is exhausting, PRMM should mirror that.
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11-09-2005, 09:13 AM	#2
Beckwith Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,358 Ireland Location: RI,USA	First of all welcome to the PR Forums, I and pretty much everyone else here agrees that bunny hopping/ prone diving should some how be taken out, iv seen several mods try and tie it to the stamina bar to varied degrees of succes i dont know if it can be done to the rite extent that way however i like to see it attempted
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Maj.b00bz Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 103 Location: Tchad	Thanks for the welcome. I don't think it should be removed, in fact I think it's a necessary feature. If you can't jump over a small obstacle then you get the retarded sort of infantry play you see in a game like World War II online. It needs to be tweaked. I would think any modification of the feature would be better than it is now.
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11-09-2005, 11:19 AM	#4
Beckwith Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,358 Ireland Location: RI,USA	no it definetly shouldnt be removed but yes it does need work and it is something i can assure you the devs are attempting to set rite since the release of the BF2 demo its been an often discussed issue on this forum
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Figisaacnewton Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,899 United States of America Location: Seattle, Washington	Major, I think the stamina reduction on changing stances is an excellent idea. maybe take those numbers and chop em in half, with the exception of jumping, which should stay at 1/4. the only problem is that there is no way to make it so you cannot do stamina reducing activities if you have no stamina left. even if you go up and down and up and down 100 times, you can still just keep doing it, you just can't run fast... but if this problem is ever overcome somehow, than this would be an excellent addition (as well as redone stance changing animations, but thats a ways off) to the mod. Most original idea ive heard in a while btw.
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BrokenArrow Retired PR Developer Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,076 Location: NH, US	yeah good thoughts
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11-10-2005, 06:47 AM	#7
Maj.b00bz Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 103 Location: Tchad	Thanks for the feedback. Cutting the numbers in half would still be acceptable. In addidtion taking a knee would not be as costly and you recover fast enough that it would only be a second or two before the coding limitation with not being able to use a stamina function if you're out. But is that such a bad thing? You would be forced to conserve your energy. Just like real life. No more turning yourself blue in the face every 30 seconds. Honestly. I was in the top shape of my life back then. I judged every distance I had to run carefully. You simply just don't take off running across distances you know you can't cover in one short sprint. You can only physically exhaust yourself two or three times in a row with an all out run before you start recovering more and more slowly. Do that all day and you'll be dead by afternoon.
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11-10-2005, 10:23 AM	#8
{GD}geogob Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 74 Location: Quebec City, Canada	Bunny Hopping and Dolphin Diving... ... will get you kicked from the GD server. But seriously, this is an issue, and not just in this game. On thing about dolphin diving is that it's simply too easy to get an accurate shot after jumping flat on the ground. I my mind that would be easy to fix.
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11-10-2005, 11:11 AM	#10
Hitperson Retired Tournament Lead Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 6,804 United Kingdom Location: Chippenham (ish) Blog Entries: 1	Great idea. I usually find the M249,PKM and shotgun ideal for rabbit shooting .

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