Why is Anti Air placement so absurd?

[Guerra]

Well,

I sincerely do not understand why Anti Air placement is so unusual in the maps. Typically, you want to get the highest most unobstructed view of the skies, not put the AA in a ditch surrounded by high rise buildings, so all it can shoot at is office buildings and hotels.

In Iraq for instance, Anti Air Guns were placed on the highest rooftops, they were placed out in a flat area to maximize its range.

This is project reality, so I think it would be appropriate to change the locations of many anti air guns, particularly in Al Basrah.

Some pilots will whine, and I'm waiting for Vikingo in particular to protest. But in all reality, talented pilots can easily avoid the AA guns. Right now the A10s are flying too low and slow, they are doing so with impunity. I don't understand why there would be AA guns at all in such ridiculous locations. They must be placed to target enemy aircraft.

Some may argue, oh balance this, balance that. But Look at the immense air power of the USMC. One single TV missile can knock out an Anti Air gun from way out of range. One good strike from an A10 can also completely destroy the Anti Air gun. Some infantry can also blow it up.

Anyways, please let me know what you guys think, because as it stands, AA placement is stupid and non nonsensical. It's unrealistic AND unbalanced.

[DrMcCleod]

Originally Posted by Guerra

Anyways, please let me know what you guys think, because as it stands, AA placement is stupid and non nonsensical. It's unrealistic AND unbalanced.

In a similar vein, I wish map makers would test the location of AT Missile emplacements a little more carefully as well. Both Steel Thunder and Greasy Mullet have emplacements that kill the user.

[Wasteland]

Guerra, I agree that some rooftop AA would be nice (as the one east of market is in Sunset city). But the ditches do protect the AA gunner from attacks from tanks and the like. It also prevents them from being employed as anti-infantry weapons.

[lunchbox311]

I agree on the AA placement. I never understood why you would put the AA in such a limited place.

As for the AT launchers, I have not played those maps enough to know.

I did notice both of these problems in VBF2 way back when I played that. How many times were the AA nests surrounded by the immortal trees of Gaia and such?!?!

[{GD}Snake13]

Originally Posted by JP*wasteland.soldier

Guerra, I agree that some rooftop AA would be nice (as the one east of market is in Sunset city). But the ditches do protect the AA gunner from attacks from tanks and the like. It also prevents them from being employed as anti-infantry weapons.

Why would you want to prevent them from being employed as Anti-Infantry weapons?

[Wasteland]

Well, I'm not sure, but I doubt that happens IRL.

[Soulja]

AAA Guns are commonly used as anti-personnel. Probably the most known example if the Quad .50 Cal mounted on a truck. Amazing AAA weapon, but very useful for killing infantry too. Also, if i remember right the Russians classify their mobile AAA guns as Anti-Air/Anti-Material.

[Guerra]

There is a new PR map for 0.6 that has anti aircraft guns and no aircraft, used only on infantry.

Its quite common that people use AA guns on infantry. High rate of fire and splash damage.

[youm0nt]

It's the insurgents' fault they put the AA in stupid places on Basrah, not the map maker's fault ... Anyway, how would you put AA on a roof in real life? Do you bring it to the roof piece by piece? I'm just asking...

[lonelyjew]

I agree with you Guerra. Check out my thread about aa, that would be the best solution imho but might not be possible.