What would you like to see be done with the Special Forces kit?

[ArmedDrunk&Angry]

We have no intent to add back in a class that jumps from helicopters ad hoc.
I am very glad to hear that.

[daranz]

There's no paratrooper planes in PR, so giving people parachutes in pointless.

As to specops, give them the dual uzis, so that they're even easier to kill when they run around like headless chickens.

Seriously, though, thinking of the class as "spec ops" isn't going to work to well. Real life special forces teams don't consist of people with the exact same equipment, and because of that, any squad in PR containing riflemen, medics and engineers can be considered specops, and can perform special operations. What the specop would really be good at is a spotter for the sniper or a recon guy. Perhaps his kit should be more similar to the officer's kit, with a SOFLAM, and signal grenades for marking enemy positions. The specop shouldn't be any better at any sort of combat than the rifleman, as this attracts tons of smacktards to the class, and forces SLs to yell at them to grab something else.

Another interesting thing to do with the specop would be giving him some sort of a bonus to intelligence gathering in the insurgency mode. After all, special forces in real life often handle capturing of high profile individuals and recovery of intel from behind enemy lines.

[eggman]

nice idea wrt intel bonus for spec ops.

[MichSt-Spartan]

Originally Posted by daranz

There's no paratrooper planes in PR, so giving people parachutes in pointless.

As to specops, give them the dual uzis, so that they're even easier to kill when they run around like headless chickens.

Seriously, though, thinking of the class as "spec ops" isn't going to work to well. Real life special forces teams don't consist of people with the exact same equipment, and because of that, any squad in PR containing riflemen, medics and engineers can be considered specops, and can perform special operations. What the specop would really be good at is a spotter for the sniper or a recon guy. Perhaps his kit should be more similar to the officer's kit, with a SOFLAM, and signal grenades for marking enemy positions. The specop shouldn't be any better at any sort of combat than the rifleman, as this attracts tons of smacktards to the class, and forces SLs to yell at them to grab something else.

Another interesting thing to do with the specop would be giving him some sort of a bonus to intelligence gathering in the insurgency mode. After all, special forces in real life often handle capturing of high profile individuals and recovery of intel from behind enemy lines.

HALOs can be done out of BHs and Merlins.

[daranz]

Originally Posted by MichSt-Spartan

HALOs can be done out of BHs and Merlins.

Neither Blackhawks nor Merlins fly at 30000ft. Besides, they're damn choppers, and not intended for HALO deployments of troops.

Unless you mean in game, but then, that's kinda my point.

[M.J.Patterson]

I would have to vote for make it a CQB rifleman and SF should be limited...

[Wasteland]

One thing I definitely wasn't hoping to see with spec ops was a boost to their RoF.

[ReadMenace]

Originally Posted by Cerberus

In a realism mod it's a bad idea. The whole concept of a "CQB Rifleman" just isn't realistic. It's not like in a marine rifle squad you're going to find a few guys carrying M4's for the purpose of clearing rooms. You're making the M16A4 sound like a bolt action Mosin-Nagant that weighs twenty pounds.

Perhaps we should replace the spec ops class with a radioman or fire support guy, either being capable of calling in airstrikes.

No, but the Marines do have M16A4's with EOTech reflex sights. Make the M16 a little more functional in CQB.

[eggman]

RoF on SF carbines is unchanged, just the sound is now matched to the M4 RoF whereas previously it was off.

v0.6 SF is the only class without body armour. Not a very attractive class if used as a direct combatant class. But a great class to work with a sniper team or as a saboteur.

HALO from a helicopter ???? High Altitude Low Opening .. from a real life perspective, we're talking about jumping from several miles high with oxygen masks here..... not jumping out of a Blackhawk and popping the chute 10m above ground. Please don't confuse vBF2 with reality.

We already have _para variants, just nobody has [yet] made a really good map that has a plausible para insertion scenario. We tried it with Airport, but it didn't work out too well, tho I still think Para Insertion is a viable aspect of modern combat that we should try and get into PR. But as already stated, we don't have any interest in enabling HALO from Blackhawks within the game... that would be one of those vBF2 artifacts we're progressively getting rid of.

[HellDuke]

Limit the kit. When playing for US the squad get's full of them because ppl don't like to use M16 because it has only semi and burst firing modes. Who aims normaly in these games? Admit it: you just run out of the coner, aim down the sights for relative accurasy and just click and hold the fire button until the clip is empty, don't you?