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Old 05-25-2012, 08:42 AM   #31
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I would take the mortar squad out and use the logi squad for that task.
This way you always save one extra officer. And you as logi officer can handle this extra task easily.
When you don't need mortar support those guys can assist on other tasks.
You just have to think that the mortar squad is a part of the logistic.

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Old 05-25-2012, 09:54 AM   #32
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In this case a 6 manned logi squad that is controlled by a dedicated officer would do much more providing logi and be able to withstand attacks.
Even so for the opposite team, even if they are better.

Nothing says known fobs are a bigger hindrance. Building new fobs takes time, takes men and takes energy to adapt to a new unknown area. And the risks are big to be heard, noticed and lose your truck, whenever you move out to set up a fob.
Salvo has some real life experience of how to move out with a logi squad, and that adaption is crystal clear to work in PR, even for a 32 player setup.

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Like I said, I look at these from perspective of competitive play, not public where teams are what they are, but two highly organized and skilled teams. Large logistic squad may have power to withstand attacks, it simply never going to be attacked like that. Its waste of resources from the opposing team to do so. Logistic is also not meant to clear sectors, it goes to area cleared by other forces, any other way is dangerous and only done if Commander sees necessary.

It gets ambushed by small tactical force, even by single man, which will simply destroy the truck and then leaves. You may ask any old NATO champ how annoying it is when there is a single unseen man blowing your trucks, but never showing himself.

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I have run six men logi squads and can say it works flawlessly.
While we have been setting up fobs, we have been defending them, in critical situations calling in CAS to tackle armor. Manning mortars to provide support to our infantry on the front line. Moving out with supplies and medical help to them when asked with protection on our way to them.

Can you do all this things with men then all the best.

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Never said it doesn't work, placing 20 guys to logistic works as well as 6 men, it simply strains the front and takes men off from more important jobs. Not talking about mortars here either, they are their own thing and not part of logistics. If logistics are in position/have time to call in CAS, something has gone very wrong for one of the teams.

You are talking about some sort of squad which does everything from logistics to fast reaction and that sort of thing is horrible to have.

Its great for public play where you cannot trust your team to report, clear or guard their area or rear, simply has no place in proper matches, imo.
And like any proper squad, they each have an dedicated Officer, ofc.
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Old 05-25-2012, 09:57 AM   #33
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1. Don't need spotter/sniper. Use a squad marskman.
2. Logistics can do mortars also. Don't need a specific mortar squad if you don't have a specific logi squad.
4. Don't need 2 birds in the air for CAS. Have one and one in reserve, if both go down by a well placed AA shot. Your fucked for 20 mins without CAS.

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Old 05-25-2012, 11:41 AM   #34
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In NATO and most other western countries, motorised infantry is infantry which is transported by trucks or other motor vehicles. It is distinguished from mechanized infantry, which is carried in armoured personnel carriers, infantry combat vehicles, or infantry fighting vehicles.

Motorising infantry is the first stage towards the mechanisation of an army. Civilian trucks are readily adaptable to military uses of transporting soldiers, towing guns, and carrying equipment and supplies. This greatly increases the strategic mobility of infantry units, which would otherwise rely on marches or railroads. In practice, armies have found it advantageous to develop trucks to military specifications, such as all-wheel drive, in order to have vehicles that function reliably in extremes of weather and terrain.

Motorisation provides no direct tactical advantage in small unit combat, because trucks and jeeps are vulnerable to artillery and small arms fire. However in larger battles motorized infantry have a crucial edge in mobility, allowing them to move to critical sectors of the battlefield faster, allowing better response to enemy movements, as well as the ability to outmaneuver the enemy.

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Old 05-25-2012, 05:09 PM   #35
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I often lead logistics squad.

3 man compromise layout:

1x logi truck
1x officer
1x rifleman
1x combat engi (spawns on fob)

1x spare infantry for another squad to use

Medic kit can be taken from crate if needed, combat engi lays some mines and rifleman covers whilst officer goes back to base to re-arm for next mission.

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Old 05-25-2012, 06:03 PM   #36
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In NATO and most other western countries, motorised infantry is infantry which is transported by trucks or other motor vehicles. It is distinguished from mechanized infantry, which is carried in armoured personnel carriers, infantry combat vehicles, or infantry fighting vehicles.

Motorising infantry is the first stage towards the mechanisation of an army. Civilian trucks are readily adaptable to military uses of transporting soldiers, towing guns, and carrying equipment and supplies. This greatly increases the strategic mobility of infantry units, which would otherwise rely on marches or railroads. In practice, armies have found it advantageous to develop trucks to military specifications, such as all-wheel drive, in order to have vehicles that function reliably in extremes of weather and terrain.

Motorisation provides no direct tactical advantage in small unit combat, because trucks and jeeps are vulnerable to artillery and small arms fire. However in larger battles motorized infantry have a crucial edge in mobility, allowing them to move to critical sectors of the battlefield faster, allowing better response to enemy movements, as well as the ability to outmaneuver the enemy.

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Armies in real live do not place men into trucks or armored carriers if they know there is a contact mile away as people die in them. Again, real-life has nothing to do with PR as any fool who would sit inside an vehicle at the distances PR has would be dead man.

And what you talk about would not be a logistic squad anymore and serves completely different position.

It is a good idea to place a truck into inf or mot-inf squad, but you should not remove rest of the squad from the battle if truck moves to ream or supply.
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Old 05-26-2012, 06:53 AM   #37
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Armies in real live do not place men into trucks or armored carriers if they know there is a contact mile away as people die in them. Again, real-life has nothing to do with PR as any fool who would sit inside an vehicle at the distances PR has would be dead man.

And what you talk about would not be a logistic squad anymore and serves completely different position.

It is a good idea to place a truck into inf or mot-inf squad, but you should not remove rest of the squad from the battle if truck moves to ream or supply.
Actually... Yes they do. Because the APC's and IFV's are more than capable of taking that type of fire.
Logistics trucks will often go through a choke point because they have no other alternative. And they do come under contact, often.

I remember well when we where on a Combat Logistical Patrol at night travelling from Camp Bastion to Sangin. We where tasked with dropping off supplies o a newly formed Patrol Base as it was too dangerous for a helicopter landing. During the patrol, we actually had to cross a bridge that was just wide enough, with just a 1/2 inch clearance either side.

One of the trucks took an RPG to the front of the truck at the engine compartment. Completely tore the front end out, and removed both wheels.
Because of the design of the truck, and the explosive defences at the windscreen, both the driver and gunner weren't hurt. However, because we had top cover from the GPMG's mounted on the trucks (I know it's not available in PR) and then Land Rovers, we were able to recover the truck and tow it the rest of the way.

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Old 05-28-2012, 02:06 PM   #38
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Actually... Yes they do. Because the APC's and IFV's are more than capable of taking that type of fire.
Logistics trucks will often go through a choke point because they have no other alternative. And they do come under contact, often.

I remember well when we where on a Combat Logistical Patrol at night travelling from Camp Bastion to Sangin. We where tasked with dropping off supplies o a newly formed Patrol Base as it was too dangerous for a helicopter landing. During the patrol, we actually had to cross a bridge that was just wide enough, with just a 1/2 inch clearance either side.

One of the trucks took an RPG to the front of the truck at the engine compartment. Completely tore the front end out, and removed both wheels.
Because of the design of the truck, and the explosive defences at the windscreen, both the driver and gunner weren't hurt. However, because we had top cover from the GPMG's mounted on the trucks (I know it's not available in PR) and then Land Rovers, we were able to recover the truck and tow it the rest of the way.
What type of fire? Grenades and small arms, yes. PR has two actual armies, not group of minutemen with rifles, fighting each other with a little different equipment.
Also you seem to talk of logistics, I am talking about fighting a war against an enemy with same amount of iron behind his ass.

Unless you have good support from air or other indirect elements, I doubt you want to make anysort of attacks against enemy with proper AT weaponry while inside vehicles.

Vehicles offer speed, but they also reduce you to one big target and you are very dead, if someone sets his eyes on you on modern battlefield.
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Old 05-28-2012, 03:48 PM   #39
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What type of fire? Grenades and small arms, yes.
No. RPG's. Please, re-read the text next time. I was also referring towards the insurgents and Taliban. Not some god forsaken country with the same firepower. Against them, yes. Pretty useless.

Also, have you ever served your country? At all? Just out of curiosity?

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Old 05-28-2012, 06:46 PM   #40
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No. RPG's. Please, re-read the text next time. I was also referring towards the insurgents and Taliban. Not some god forsaken country with the same firepower. Against them, yes. Pretty useless.

Also, have you ever served your country? At all? Just out of curiosity?
It may be little crude to call RPG a grenade, but it gets it name from there.
I have served my time in the Finnish army.
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