Maps

[[R-CON]marcoelnk]

just in case you havent noticed :

This is my WIP map with GER vs RUS....so opinions from you guys are welcome aswell
http://www.realitymod.com/forum/f202...borne-wip.html

[moj]

Originally Posted by gclark03

Replace the Brits with the Russians on Mestia/Fool's Road. Besides, what business does a Western European power/alliance have meddling on Russia's doorstep? Russia would be a much better geographical fit for the maps, and it would avoid making up excuses as to why the Brits have gone into Eastern Europe without starting a nuclear holocaust.

This is a great idea, makes much more sense than using the British army.

Originally Posted by STORM-Mama

Not to mention that we in that case would have to introduce a Chechen/mujaheddin faction.

True but you could just use the current militia with altered voices, although it might be tough finding someone to do the Chechen voice acting.

[[R-DEV]Nosferatu]

Originally Posted by moj

This is a great idea, makes much more sense than using the British army.

If that's not "peacemaking" thing like in Kosovo or "partnership with Russia for peace" thing then Russian faction there really makes much more sense.

True but you could just use the current militia with altered voices, although it might be tough finding someone to do the Chechen voice acting.

It was fun when I realized that militia medic armed with PPSh-41, never expected someone in Europe could still use it. Many of Chechen terrorists in early era were armed with improvized Borz submachine guns, but I guess no one made Borz model.

[moj]

I've just been reading about the Georgian Amry on Wikipedia and, now I'm not so sure about Russians fighting militia in Georgia.

Russian military in Georgia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It seems to me, that if anything the Russian army would be helping miltia in Georgia. So maybe the map setting, needs to be changed to Chechnya, Ingushetia or Dagestan, if the Brits are to be swapped for Russians. As mentioned earlier, appropriate voice acting would be called for.

Alternatively, the militia could be swapped for Russian forces, and a Russian invasion of Georgia could be the new setting. The Brits could again be there as part of a UN/NATO taskforce, or even swapped for the US since Georgia has strong ties to them these days (helping in Iraq and Afghanistan).

Finally, you could use the Russian invasion concept, but with Russia vs militia. The militia could be the now underground element, that is left of the Georgian army under Russian occupation. The T-62 would need to be swapped for a T-55 or T-72 though, as it's not in the Georgian army inventory, but the BMP-1 and/or BMP-2 could also be used with HAT missiles attached (AT-3 Sagger and AT-5 Spandrel respectively).

EDIT: The T-72 could be borrowed from USI, their ZSU 23-4 Shilka could even be thrown in too!

I'd be especially interested to hear Nosferatu's or any other Russian (or Georgian for that matter) opinion on this.

[[R-DEV]Nosferatu]

Well, my opinion this time could be quite subjective cause during early 1990s I've seen war between Abkhazia and Georgia. During that war both sides used militia tactics. Yes, georgians had pretty much armored units and aircrafts on their side, but main strike force of their army consisted of non-military combatants like Mkhedrioni troops.

I guess you know that armor usage in mountain regions is complicated, so tanks and IFV's were chance-comers during that conflict.

As I know, not many things changed in georgian army. They've got some aged technique and good instructors from US, but for now only commando batallion fully equiped and trained by NATO standarts.

That's why I can describe georgian army as militia faction.

If you want to know my opinion about map scenarios: as any russian, I've little bit tired of Tom Clancy-like propaganda crap about Russian invasion I'd prefer to see Chechnya & Dagestan maps and worship our fallen heroes. But it's all up to devs.

Good research work, though

[moj]

Thanks for your input, Nosferatu It's a subject I'm very interested in right now. I can see that the whole Russians always playing the "bad guys", could get a bit dull or irritating, especially when it's your own country. I too would love to see some maps based around conflicts that you guys are actually involved in, in real life. As you say, we'll just have to wait and see. I'll keep my fingers crossed

[gclark03]

The whole BLUFOR vs. OPFOR debate is wholly dependent on the point of view. Remember that a true villain, the greatest villains in real life and fiction alike, believe that they are working in the name of good, not evil.

I can see that the argument is biased toward the West in a forum like this, but we need to keep in mind that Russia, being an established power, does not deserve to be treated as some third-world OPFOR country, but the (albeit flawed) superpower it was and continues to be.

Now that I can put the soapbox away and leave Hyde Park for a while...

Just make Fool's Road a Russia vs. Militia map and ignore the fine lines concerning the Georgian Army until we have a map tailor-made to fit that specific conflict.

[steve_06-07]

I'm not a mapper, but it'd be cool to have a city modeled like Grozny(Chechen capital)with Russians vs. Militia, Militia have 1x T-62, BBDRM, Spandrel, and the Russians have 2x T-80U's, among other things. Just wouldn't mind seeing the Militia in a city is all.

[$pyker]

please please please do NOT have Daqing Oilfields with the same vehicle layout as there is in the USMC vs PLA version for PR now. it does not work. Put some tanks and one attack chopper for each team, maybe with the choppers on long respawn.

[HughJass]

dont use daqing at all, it does not belong in PR what so ever.