PS3 Price

[00SoldierofFortune00]

Incorrect.

Other applications are not active whilst you are gaming. It's still a games console in that respect.

What 'different applications' would need over thrice as much power as an actual game?

The GPU is a GeForce 7 series, as I think I already said. Of similar design to the ones used in [i]very high end gaming PCs

I didn't mean in applications up and running at the sametime like a pc, I meant each core is used for something different. You actually think they would release 7 cores all for gaming and not do that on a pc? They are all for different things. Look it up. I used to have a link to two sites which talked about the consoles, but will have to look it up.

A 3.2 processor is also in the Xbox 360 and that turned out to be a crap processor. You get major lag and other problems and it doesn't offer that much improvement IMO.

And for the price of the PS3, you could buy the best GPU when it comes out and have some left over for more ram along with a game.

I'm not sure what you mean, I've seen quite a lot of gameplay of the PS3. That doesn't seem particularly pertinent though, since you can't tell the gameplay of a game from a video or a screenshot. Despite the common misconception to the contrary, graphics isn't the only thing that requires processing power.

How much of that was actual gameplay though? The videos I have seen of actual gameplay(VF5) which is really rare when it comes to Sony, looks just like DOA4, IMO.

You are correct there, though not in the way you think I imagine. Half of the Ram in the PS3 is clocked at the CPU speed (3.2GHz), a lot faster than the 300-400MHz Ram you generally get in a PC.

What are you talking about? Ram doesn't come in 400Mhz and if you are talking about ram for your processor, most come in 800-1000.

Direct me to the PC, and I'll order it today.

Go to Cybercomputer pcs, check around the internet, or maybe this. Make your own pc! You will get twice the amount of play and usage out of it even if it is maybe 200-400 dollars more. And you can actually save money on games since the games are so good on PC. IE just buy BF2 and play that along with all its mods for a year as opposed to buying 3-4 PS3 games which last maybe 3 months each.

I haven't seen any Sony press releases or speeches, my internet connection is slow, and I'm lazy, so I don't watch them. Can you give me a specific example of this 'bs'.

We all know Sony inflates everything they put out or puts a twist on it. Just like the Core thing, and also with the PS2. They claimed that console would give you the world and did it ever turn out that way? They also put out pre-rendered movies and screens to get you thinking that is the actual game and people actually fall for it. There will be more of those out then actual gameplay videos on the eve of the PS3 launch.

Yep-- I think I mentioned that too. The PS3 is based around Open Source architecture that's used on many PCs. For all intents and purposes, you could plug-in a USB keyboard and mouse and run it as a PC. Right down to running office applications and certain PC games.

No, you can't use a keyboard with the PS3. They want you to think that because they have a USB just like the Xbox 360, but the game would all require reoptimazation since the keyboard/mouse would not be calibrated right to the game and would give you too much of an advantage over the regular players. The USB will likely be for a memory stick or controller.

I've had that opinion for the last few years, but it's finally getting to the point where the dedicated power on consoles is overtaking PCs as far as gaming goes, and for a cheaper price. Not a big problem if you play a '98 game like Counter-Strike, but if you want to play the latest game on full graphics and still have a high FPS and no jittering, it would be better to play it on a console.

What you said about the emulator works inversely. The 360 powers games with Microsoft XNA technology (the next version of DirectX, which is used on just about all Windows games), so it's not a great stretch to eventually have a platform for playing PC games on a 360. Similarly, the PS3 employs the Linux operating system, which already has support for Windows compatability layers to play PC games (e.g. Cedega or Wine).

How many pc games to console have actually been good as the pc counterparts? I am not talking about the ones which come to both at the sametime, but changing from one platform to the other?

Half Life because Valve is good and Far Cry because Crytek is good. Can you actually think of anything past that?

Don't be a fanboy to Sony's bs. At least Microsoft was a little more honest with their marketing stratigies, but it all comes down to overhyping the systems in the end and not delivering on games. Sure, go ahead and save some money on a console, but you will also get ripped off of good games, life of the console and games, no mods, no internet, no keyboard/mouse, and overpriced games.

And when it all comes down to it, the games have to be good. And honestly how many good PS2 games have you played as opposed to PC games?

And yes, they make a loss on the console in the beginning, but the purchase of games makes it up. They aren't going to put a lot of money into them though, so don't think you are getting something equal to that on the pc side.

[Malik]

Soldier of Fortune, please, for the love of God, learn how to use the quote feature.

[00SoldierofFortune00]

Originally Posted by Malik

Soldier of Fortune, please, for the love of God, learn how to use the quote feature.

What do you think I did? You that lazy to read the quotes and think who wrote them?

[Malik]

No, you have a number of anonymous quotes and quotes mingled in with your own comments. It's highly confusing to read what's correct and what's incorrect when what you're saying is mingled in with the right stuff.

[Airen Cracken]

Originally Posted by 00SoldierofFortune00

I didn't mean in applications up and running at the sametime like a pc, I meant each core is used for something different. You actually think they would release 7 cores all for gaming and not do that on a pc? They are all for different things. Look it up. I used to have a link to two sites which talked about the consoles, but will have to look it up.

No. The reason PCs don't have octo-core at the moment is because of expense (Apple is planning some octo-core PowerBook lines). Quad core isn't that rare (or dual-core with HTT). The reason the PS3 can do it, is because it uses a Cell broadband processor. Different technology.

Originally Posted by 00SoldierofFortune00

A 3.2 processor is also in the Xbox 360 and that turned out to be a crap processor. You get major lag and other problems and it doesn't offer that much improvement IMO.

The XBox 360 is tri-core. The PS3 has 7 SPEs. There's a distinct difference.

Originally Posted by 00SoldierofFortune00

What are you talking about? Ram doesn't come in 400Mhz and if you are talking about ram for your processor, most come in 800-1000.

Where is this 800-1000MHz RAM you speak of? Oh and, here is some of that RAM that doesn't come in 400MHz.

Originally Posted by 00SoldierofFortune00

Go to Cybercomputer pcs, check around the internet, or maybe this. Make your own pc! You will get twice the amount of play and usage out of it even if it is maybe 200-400 dollars more. And you can actually save money on games since the games are so good on PC. IE just buy BF2 and play that along with all its mods for a year as opposed to buying 3-4 PS3 games which last maybe 3 months each.

"Check around the internet" isn't really what I was looking for. Direct me to the PC.

Originally Posted by 00SoldierofFortune00

We all know Sony inflates everything they put out or puts a twist on it. Just like the Core thing, and also with the PS2. They claimed that console would give you the world and did it ever turn out that way? They also put out pre-rendered movies and screens to get you thinking that is the actual game and people actually fall for it. There will be more of those out then actual gameplay videos on the eve of the PS3 launch.

Actually, the PS3 videos shown at E3 were rendered in real-time.

Originally Posted by 00SoldierofFortune00

No, you can't use a keyboard with the PS3. They want you to think that because they have a USB just like the Xbox 360, but the game would all require reoptimazation since the keyboard/mouse would not be calibrated right to the game and would give you too much of an advantage over the regular players. The USB will likely be for a memory stick or controller.

Don't tell me you can't use a USB keyboard with the PS3. I can even use a USB keyboard with a PS2. Nevermind a PS3.

Originally Posted by 00SoldierofFortune00

How many pc games to console have actually been good as the pc counterparts? I am not talking about the ones which come to both at the sametime, but changing from one platform to the other?

Half Life because Valve is good and Far Cry because Crytek is good. Can you actually think of anything past that?

...I don't know about you, but if I have a console game, I don't tend to get the PC version aswell. And visa versa. I play console games on my consoles.

Originally Posted by 00SoldierofFortune00

Don't be a fanboy to Sony's bs. At least Microsoft was a little more honest with their marketing stratigies, but it all comes down to overhyping the systems in the end and not delivering on games. Sure, go ahead and save some money on a console, but you will also get ripped off of good games, life of the console and games, no mods, no internet, no keyboard/mouse, and overpriced games.

Once again: the PS3 has "internet".

Originally Posted by 00SoldierofFortune00

And when it all comes down to it, the games have to be good. And honestly how many good PS2 games have you played as opposed to PC games?

A lot more really. I had about 27 PS2 games, and very few PC games. At least I knew my PS2 could play them with the advertised graphics. More than I can say for my PC.

[Malik]

See, that's quoting.

[00SoldierofFortune00]

Originally Posted by Malik

See, that's quoting.

Doesn't matter if they are anonymous, I am still answering the questions in quotes to whoever put them out there. You didn't put them out there, so why are you worrying about it? Stop making a big deal out of nothing.

[Malik]

Originally Posted by 00SoldierofFortune00

Doesn't matter if they are anonymous, I am still answering the questions in quotes to whoever put them out there. You didn't put them out there, so why are you worrying about it? Stop making a big deal out of nothing.

This is a forum, the idea is lots of people read it. If you're breaking the forum standards by quoting badly, nobody can read it properly. And anyway, nobody asks you questions, you just choose to argue a point until the thread is closed. Airen's right about all that.

[00SoldierofFortune00]

[quote]No. The reason PCs don't have octo-core at the moment is because of expense (Apple is planning some octo-core PowerBook lines). Quad core isn't that rare (or dual-core with HTT). The reason the PS3 can do it, is because it uses a Cell broadband processor. Different technology.

Why would they put something so expensive in a system that price then? What you just said makes no sense at all. It is nothing drastically different then on a pc, they just label it 7 cores to get people hyped up about it. Like I said before, 1-2 cores are used for actual gaming and not all of them.

The XBox 360 is tri-core. The PS3 has 7 SPEs. There's a distinct difference.

The Xbox 360's 3 cores aren't all used for gaming either.

All of the

Where is this 800-1000MHz RAM you speak of? Oh and, here is some of that RAM that doesn't come in 400MHz.

MBs are more important then the speed. You could have a 512MB 800Mhz
ram and it still wouldn't be as effective as 2gigs at say 200Mhz in a game. The more ram you have the better. The speed of the ram in the consoles is not going to make up for the fact that it is not much compared to a pc with say 2gigs.

"Check around the internet" isn't really what I was looking for. Direct me to the PC.

And I gave you a website and told you, you can also build a cheap pc. They have plenty of help tips on the internet.

Actually, the PS3 videos shown at E3 were rendered in real-time.

They may have some, but we all know Sony's method of choice is to put out a lot of bs pre rendered movies.

ex.

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/adventur...toplay=6152829

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/v...er5/media.html

And like I said, the ones shown like VF5 and Full Auto look no different then the Xbox 360's games.

Don't tell me you can't use a USB keyboard with the PS3. I can even use a USB keyboard with a PS2. Nevermind a PS3.

Not talking about those cheap emulators and crap. And like I said, if you tried to use one with a game designed for a controller, it will not be the same thing as a pc. You would have to calibrate it and it still wouldn't replicate it.

[quote]...I don't know about you, but if I have a console game, I don't tend to get the PC version aswell. And visa versa. I play console games on my consoles.[quote]

I am talking about games which go from one to another and they claim how great the game is when it is actually a bad cheap and watered down version of the other platforms.

Once again: the PS3 has "internet".

LOL, just how Microsoft claimed theirs had it but it turned out to be marketplace? I would feel sorry for all those people trying to type on a forum with a controller if that ever happened.

more really. I had about 27 PS2 games, and very few PC games. At least I knew my PS2 could play them with the advertised graphics. More than I can say for my PC.

Then why are you on a pc game forum hyping a console? ANd don't give me that crap about games not playing. If you have a crap pc, then of course the game is not going to play to its full potential just like you have to buy a new console for increased performance or games.

And I will love to see the day when a console comes out with a game that would match the scale and still feel the same as BF2 and its mods, WOW, HL2and its mods etc.

I have had my pc for 2-3 years now and it still plays everything on high or high with a few mediums.

3.0-3.2P4 HT
2gigs
6800GT

[00SoldierofFortune00]

Originally Posted by Malik

This is a forum, the idea is lots of people read it. If you're breaking the forum standards by quoting badly, nobody can read it properly. And anyway, nobody asks you questions, you just choose to argue a point until the thread is closed. Airen's right about all that.

How am I breaking the forum standards when nobody even goes by them? Whoever is putting out the sentences which I quote knows I am talking to him. And I have yet to be asked by someone else that my quotes do not fit "forum standards." Stop being a kid and making a big deal out of nothing just as an arguement.