PS3 Price

[00SoldierofFortune00]

Originally Posted by Malik

Yeah, if you guys don't want one, don't, stop crying about the price. Yeah, for that price you could buy a decent graphics card, but what the hell do you think is in the PC? The PS3 IS a high-end PC, and game manufacterers always put the best games on consoles first. The only PC I've seen with better specs than the PS3 costed about £5000, nearly ten thousand dollars. I'm pretty sure that's cheaper than any PS3. They're not going to drop the price at launch just because the games aren't ready yet. You don't have to buy it if you don't want to. I want to, because there are some cracking games coming out on it and I love the experience with console gaming. It feels more like you're on a level playing field, there are no bonus points for having more expensive computers and hotter graphics cards.

And anyway, how come everyone's like "OMG I NEED TO GET A NEW GRAPHICS CARD TO PLAY CRYSIS, IT'S SO LEET!!111", yet when it comes to buying a PS3 nobody wants to pay. Right.

They said the same thing about the 360, but my pc is better then it and has a lot more games for it. It is not a high end pc.

O, and don't plan on the price going down anytime soon. 360 still hasn't went down in price and it has been out for almost a year now. They can't lower the price that much anyway considering how much it costs them to make the console and how pricey the games are which limits some people to only buying a few of them.

And don't expect any good games straight out like the 360. No good games still haven't come out for the 360, and since the 360 is the closest thing in terms of games to the pc(FPS are better for xbox), then don't expect much from PS3.

No one is going to take advantage of Bluray now either because it is new and will be expensive.

[Wraith]

I own a PS2. I've played it about 10 times in the last two years. I own a decent computer. I've played it pretty much every night for the last 2.5 years.

My arguement is and always has been that I own a computer. There is nothing I can't play on my computer that you can on a console. My point is getting even stronger with these new releases of the gaming consoles which offer an emulator to put on your PC (at least that was the plan).

[Downtown_two]

Originally Posted by Malik

I mean GT3, Gran Turismo A-Spec.

Mate, that was like another 6 months after GTA3. It was nearly 2 years after PS2 was released in Europe before we saw GT3. The fact remains the first year on PS2 was fairly dissapointing.

There always the chance they will do an N64 and have a Goldeye of the next gen consoles. God that game was the best thing ever.

[Wraith]

GET BACK ON TOPIC

[lonelyjew]

As time goes on, consoles become more and more pc-like. I'm not huge into consoles so I don't know the exact details, but isn't there potential for these new systems to be able to play mods? Well, even if not, they will have excellent multiplayer support so it is a step above the old ps2.

As far as the price goes, I don't think the PS3 is a rip off at all. If you look up any blue-ray dvd player right now they cost about $1k so just the player itself inside the system costs less than a normal player and you get gaming capability.

Also, it's unfair to call either system a ripoff because they lose money on each system they sell. I had no idea(especially with the high prices) that it costs more to produce, market, and ship the systems than the money they get back, but apparantly it does. I guess nintendo is the only company that does make any money off it's systems and that's why the Wii is only slightly more powerful than an x-box. Now you may ask why they do this and it's simple actually, for sony it's to get blue-ray out there and for x-box it's to get microsoft into your living room. Either way, it doesn't matter to the companies much because they make massive amounts of money through licensing games and their other products so these small hits don't do too much to hurt them.

[Downtown_two]

Sure, we pay just shy of £500 for a Blu-ray player, but that RRP, not what Sony will pay in trade when they buy a few hundred thousand of them. I think they would do well to drop the price a bit, it would definately open up the market.

[Airen Cracken]

Originally Posted by 00SoldierofFortune00

Also, all those 9 cores aren't used for gaming. 1, possibly 2 are for gaming, but the rest are for different applications. Sony wants you to think that it is going to use them all and the GPU will be really great, but from the little actual gameplay screens seen, it is basically the same as Xbox 360.

Incorrect.

Other applications are not active whilst you are gaming. It's still a games console in that respect.

What 'different applications' would need over thrice as much power as an actual game?

The GPU is a GeForce 7 series, as I think I already said. Of similar design to the ones used in very high end gaming PCs.

Originally Posted by 00SoldierofFortune00

Why do you think they don't want you to see a lot of actual gameplay videos?

I'm not sure what you mean, I've seen quite a lot of gameplay of the PS3. That doesn't seem particularly pertinent though, since you can't tell the gameplay of a game from a video or a screenshot. Despite the common misconception to the contrary, graphics isn't the only thing that requires processing power.

Originally Posted by 00SoldierofFortune00

And 512ram in the PS3 is not equal to 512 ram in a regular pc.

You are correct there, though not in the way you think I imagine. Half of the Ram in the PS3 is clocked at the CPU speed (3.2GHz), a lot faster than the 300-400MHz Ram you generally get in a PC.

Originally Posted by 00SoldierofFortune00

And yes, you can get a decent pc for the price you would spend on the PS3 in the long run.

Direct me to the PC, and I'll order it today.

Originally Posted by 00SoldierofFortune00

Stop believing their bs.

I haven't seen any Sony press releases or speeches, my internet connection is slow, and I'm lazy, so I don't watch them. Can you give me a specific example of this 'bs'.

Originally Posted by lonelyjew

As time goes on, consoles become more and more pc-like. I'm not huge into consoles so I don't know the exact details, but isn't there potential for these new systems to be able to play mods? Well, even if not, they will have excellent multiplayer support so it is a step above the old ps2.

Yep-- I think I mentioned that too. The PS3 is based around Open Source architecture that's used on many PCs. For all intents and purposes, you could plug-in a USB keyboard and mouse and run it as a PC. Right down to running office applications and certain PC games.

Originally Posted by Wraith

My arguement is and always has been that I own a computer. There is nothing I can't play on my computer that you can on a console. My point is getting even stronger with these new releases of the gaming consoles which offer an emulator to put on your PC (at least that was the plan).

I've had that opinion for the last few years, but it's finally getting to the point where the dedicated power on consoles is overtaking PCs as far as gaming goes, and for a cheaper price. Not a big problem if you play a '98 game like Counter-Strike, but if you want to play the latest game on full graphics and still have a high FPS and no jittering, it would be better to play it on a console.

What you said about the emulator works inversely. The 360 powers games with Microsoft XNA technology (the next version of DirectX, which is used on just about all Windows games), so it's not a great stretch to eventually have a platform for playing PC games on a 360. Similarly, the PS3 employs the Linux operating system, which already has support for Windows compatability layers to play PC games (e.g. Cedega or Wine).

[Malik]

I'll see you on release day.

[trogdor1289]

Yeah well IMO anything that costs me money is overpriced.

[longhairedhippy]

http://ps3.ign.com/objects/772/772025.html

^^^Almost^^^^ reason enough to get the PS3 imo.

Maybe this one, too....