Project Reality style apache footage

[[R-DEV]ZZEZ]

I have serious doubts that the insurgents managed to secure the crash site and rummage through the debries to find a certain box and remain alive long enough to reach their computer and release it, I'd go and assume that the US forces secured the crash site because all helicopters contain information that is not allowed to fall in to enemy hands..theres a reason why disabled vehicles that can't be recovered are bombed from the air, example: Merkava tank in 2006 Lebanon war, Chinook in Afghanistan

Occam's razor say some soldier with access to the footage most likely released it like thousands of other Apache clips.

[Solid Knight]

Have we ever lost an Apache and not recovered it?

[gazzthompson]

Originally Posted by JohnnyTheIED

I was wondering the same as to why would the army release this.

why wouldn't they? can say the same to any info ever released by the army on causality rates, videos/recoding of fixed and rotary being shot down, and HUDs of aircraft during FF accidents etc.

[JohnnyTheIED]

Originally Posted by [R-DEV]ZZEZ

I have serious doubts that the insurgents managed to secure the crash site and rummage through the debries to find a certain box and remain alive long enough to reach their computer and release it, I'd go and assume that the US forces secured the crash site because all helicopters contain information that is not allowed to fall in to enemy hands..theres a reason why disabled vehicles that can't be recovered are bombed from the air, example: Merkava tank in 2006 Lebanon war, Chinook in Afghanistan

Occam's razor say some soldier with access to the footage most likely released it like thousands of other Apache clips.

True, But judging by the recording of gunfire going on, I wouldn't be surprised if the soldiers would have rather called in the airstrike on nme position rather than a downed helo. IF they had one.

Airstrikes, aerial recon and b52 bombers cannot be 24/7 overhead, they must refuel, they have a given period of time to be flying over the battlefield. Shifts and lack of JTAC on the ground could be factors as well.

I'm sure in some cases they do not have the resource to destroy everything that should be destroyed.

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As to why the army wouldn't release this, well, the same reason they filter all videos coming out of the army. The same reason insurgents wont show videos we're they got failed.

It's not implying anything, just that's its normal procedure when at war.

[[R-DEV]ZZEZ]

Originally Posted by JohnnyTheIED

As to why the army wouldn't release this, well, the same reason they filter all videos coming out of the army. The same reason insurgents wont show videos we're they got failed.

I don't like the way your going with this, the army releases information about "losing" - casualties etc..comparing the US Army to insurgents is ridicules..they are not the same and its not relative.

[JohnnyTheIED]

Originally Posted by [R-DEV]ZZEZ

I don't like the way your going with this, the army releases information about "losing" - casualties etc..comparing the US Army to insurgents is ridicules..they are not the same and its not relative.

Dude its been around since the beginning of time. Like it or not, When 2 armies are at war, it is in their best interest to hide their VIP casualties. Doesn't matter what side they on, or yours.

[[R-MOD]Mongolian_dude]

Stay on topic, please. Discuss the the video, the legitimacy of the video, the pre-text, what happened next, but world politics is just not the topic here.

I would think that, like mentioned, the crew were recovered and the vehicle either destroyed post firefight. The wreck would have indefinitely been recovered or demoed by engineers or an air strike. I think its pretty much standard procedure for NATO forces to demo downed aircraft. Failing to do so on one occasion would make doing it again in the future void, simply because you've already let the information fall into the hands of the enemy.

Im sure the nature of the video would be very different if it was in the hands of Insurgents. From what we can see, allot of Apache videos appear rather objective (aside from the ones playing the heavy metal, portraying a series of multiple fatalities...) and this one is no different.
If this footage got into the hands of the insurgents, im pretty sure it would glorify the occasion of an Apache going down allot more.

I am under the impression that casualties generally aren't subject to censorship so much these days. I remember hearing about a tragic occasion where a couple of SAS operatives ("VIPs", if you will) were killed in a helicopter crash, perhaps some time during the early part of the second gulf war(?). Considering the nature of the SAS's work is secretive, im sure they could have censored the information, but they didn't. I fail to see how having a chopper go down -again-, into what was potentially a non fatal crash-landing, is any call for censorship. Much like the video of US chopper being downed by explosion of the VBIED it just engaged.



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[vanir]

thats cool and scary to watch lol

[CallousDisregard]

Originally Posted by ChizNizzle

If it was PR like, the video wouldnt be more than 30 seconds long, and there would be instant black screen with DEAD written on it... and yeah, forget all thar communication in PR...

Anyways, really cool video, i hope the guys got out safely...

I think it was very similar to some times I have had in attack helos.
It starts with you and the pilot talking then the CO gives an order, then the Mumble SLs start talking and then..........................you come down out of the clouds and get shot.

I have question, at the end either the gunner or the pilot is saying " get the los on it" and I'm confused.
Is he saying get a " line of sight" on it or is he talking about some kind of marker for the helmet HUD system ?

On a slightly off-topic note, it looked like the lone guy they were watching was a deserter and the other insurgents came over and shot him, right before they started firing on the Apache.

[rampo]

Real nice footage