The Bear Went Over the Mountain: Soviet Combat Tactics in Afghanistan

Shaihuluid · 02-08-2010, 11:55 PM

something you folks may be interested in....

http://www.ndu.edu/inss/books/Books%...096/BrOrMn.pdf

it's an english translation of soviet after-action reports during the afghan insurgency. Would have served as a millitary school officer training aid, or something.

LUKE_NUKE_EM · 02-09-2010, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Shaihuluid

something you folks may be interested in....

http://www.ndu.edu/inss/books/Books%...096/BrOrMn.pdf

it's an english translation of soviet after-action reports during the afghan insurgency. Would have served as a millitary school officer training aid, or something.

The Soviets would have won without our intevention.

Their Mi-24 helicopters killed anything and everything. Our supplying them with Anti Aircraft stopped their complete annhiliation. The Russians were merciless.

Shaihuluid · 02-09-2010, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by LUKE_NUKE_EM

The Soviets would have won without our intevention.

Their Mi-24 helicopters killed anything and everything. Our supplying them with Anti Aircraft stopped their complete annhiliation. The Russians were merciless.

you don't waste any time getting into the flamewars, do you

saudi arabia was the primary financer of afghan insurgency, US sent money via proxy but was still a secondary backer.

Russia probably benefitted from lack of western-style media for their COIN operations, but consider that tito's yugolsavian partisans during ww2 faced far more brutal odds and were still ultimately successfull.

BloodBane611 · 02-09-2010, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Shaihuluid

you don't waste any time getting into the flamewars, do you

Thanks for the find, it'll be some nice light reading.

LUKE_NUKE_EM · 02-09-2010, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Shaihuluid

you don't waste any time getting into the flamewars, do you

saudi arabia was the primary financer of afghan insurgency, US sent money via proxy but was still a secondary backer.

Russia probably benefitted from lack of western-style media for their COIN operations, but consider that tito's yugolsavian partisans during ww2 faced far more brutal odds and were still ultimately successfull.

I agree with that.

Shaihuluid · 02-09-2010, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by LUKE_NUKE_EM

I agree with that.

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Originally Posted by [R-COM]BloodBane611

Thanks for the find, it'll be some nice light reading.

Thanks. Light?

you should be there for a bit. I'll see If I can scrounge up more...

BloodBane611 · 02-09-2010, 03:41 AM

I've gotten about 1/4 of the way through, it's very different from what you might see in an analogous western text. It's more a collection of short combat stories than an official manual of lessons learned. Very easy reading.

cyberzomby · 02-09-2010, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by LUKE_NUKE_EM

The Soviets would have won without our intevention.

Their Mi-24 helicopters killed anything and everything. Our supplying them with Anti Aircraft stopped their complete annhiliation. The Russians were merciless.

I always like people saying stuff like that using the we or our words. You weren't even there than...

TheLean · 02-09-2010, 07:53 AM

Interesting read. One of the tactics used seems to be shelling villages so that the surviving civilians will migrate to other areas and leave only mujahideen in the area. Another one is to use local afhans as cannon fodder. No wonder the russians never gained any local support for their war, the afghans must have hated their guts out.

Shaihuluid · 02-10-2010, 01:14 AM

here's another one:

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/...st/vietnam.txt

It's a somewhat analogous western text of combat vingettes in vietnam. For issue to officers originally

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BloodBane611 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 United States of America Location: The Snowy Northeast Posts: 7,406	Re: The Bear Went Over the Mountain: Soviet Combat Tactics in Afghanistan I've gotten about 1/4 of the way through, it's very different from what you might see in an analogous western text. It's more a collection of short combat stories than an official manual of lessons learned. Very easy reading.
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02-09-2010, 07:53 AM	#9
TheLean Join Date: Mar 2009 Sweden Posts: 475	Re: The Bear Went Over the Mountain: Soviet Combat Tactics in Afghanistan Interesting read. One of the tactics used seems to be shelling villages so that the surviving civilians will migrate to other areas and leave only mujahideen in the area. Another one is to use local afhans as cannon fodder. No wonder the russians never gained any local support for their war, the afghans must have hated their guts out.
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02-10-2010, 01:14 AM	#10
Shaihuluid Join Date: Aug 2009 Canada Posts: 533	Re: The Bear Went Over the Mountain: Soviet Combat Tactics in Afghanistan here's another one: http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/...st/vietnam.txt It's a somewhat analogous western text of combat vingettes in vietnam. For issue to officers originally
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