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Old 06-20-2006, 12:21 PM   #11
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Thank you mr. communist lol. No what you said is right but communism and socialism also had a lot more corruption it comes back to what I said before the problem is human nature not the form of goverment.
I am not saying any form of govt is better than any other (and never have nor did), when you put power in the hands of a few you get the same result. The formula may be different but the end result is always the same, this is what the founding fathers of the USA knew all about and tried to create a system that prevents this from happening and it was the best system ever created but after 200+ years loop holes have been found and created and the system has been hijacked by the same types of people who always destroy govts. It is inevitable, man is flawed, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.


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Old 06-20-2006, 12:31 PM   #12
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Shell (and others) killed the Electric Car by buying the patents for millions of dollars from the designers and destroying them, thus keeping them in the gas market.
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Old 06-20-2006, 12:48 PM   #13
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The sad thing is although it will cost them a lot upfront switching to an eletric model in the long run it will be cheaper.
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Old 06-20-2006, 01:18 PM   #14
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My view: An economy ruled by monopolies is as bad as a socialist/communist economy. This is because in both cases, there is no/very little competition. Competition is what produces new advances, cheaper methods, better products.

As with all conspiracies, I would like to see some concrete proof that Company A actually did Action B which produced Result C. This so far is sounding like the general goofy conspiracy: A good thing could be happening/ A bad thing happened, and there are a bunch of people who would/could benenfit from it, so by default, they did it. There is just no evidence, only opinions and educated guesses.

Why don't we ever talk about a 'conspiracy theory' with some actual meat to it? Like the UN oil for food scandal in Iraq, where all the money that was supposed to be going to pay for food for poor children in Iraq was going into Saddam's account, and 10s of top UN executives as well as hundreds of buisnesses (most in France and Germany) were recieving huge amounts of money? That has been proven, people have been fired, but you never hear about something like that...


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Old 06-20-2006, 01:23 PM   #15
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People only like to talk about topics that affect them that's why the food for oil affected 100,000's of people but no really knows about it so it isn't talked about.
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Old 06-20-2006, 01:42 PM   #16
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Um... it affected us... the UN oil for food highlights the massive amount of fraud and corruption in the UN (an orginization which recieves its largest amount of funding from our tax dollars, and attempts to control international foreign policy) , and it provides a possible (albiet unproven) reason why a few european countries like germany and france were adamantly opposed to the war...

How can you say the UN doesn't affect us?

And if you say people only talk about things that affect them, then why do we care about the terrorists in Guantanamo bay, why was there so much in the news about Darfur? none of those people will ever directly affect us (unless the gitmo guys break out or somethign)


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Old 06-20-2006, 03:50 PM   #17
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Old 06-20-2006, 05:01 PM   #18
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What I meant when I said that is right now I live in a very red state town I just do that wasn't a dig agaisnt republicans and they are very cloisterd they only talk about what happened to so and so and they don't read the news so to them nothing that happens outside Oxford where I live matters to them then to a limited extent you can say that about quite a % of the US. Becuase it is such a huge landmass and a superpower the citizens of it don't have to care about the rest of the world if they don't want to.
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Old 06-21-2006, 02:26 PM   #19
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What I meant when I said that is right now I live in a very red state town. I just do. That wasn't a dig agaisnt republicans and they are very cloisterd. They only talk about what happened to so and so and they don't read the news so to them nothing that happens outside Oxford where I live matters to them. Then, to a limited extent you can say that about quite a % of the US. Becuase it is such a huge landmass and a superpower the citizens of it don't have to care about the rest of the world if they don't want to.
Ok. After adding some punctuation to what you said, I can understand it now. So now you are saying that Republicans are mostly 'lazy town' type people who only care about local news, and somehow that means that most of the US doesn't care about international news.

So, do Americans in general not care about international stuff, or is it just Republicans? Do you have any facts to actually back either of those views?

I still think that most liberal types of people are more prone to conspiracy theories nowadays, mainly because they are looking for reasons to show how evil GWB or Republicans are, and liberals are very pissed at Republicans and GWB right now. You can look all over the internet at liberal blogs (democratic underground, daily kos, etc) and you see daily them talking about stupid conspiracy theories with no factual basis. I haven't seen any right wing web communities or anything complaining about conspiracy theories lately.


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