[Photos & Info] Paintball / Woodsball / Speedball

[Warpig-]

I'd like a 1:1 replica, but under our law that's completely and totally impossible sadly

Even things like this are illegal:



It's truely mindnumbing

I'll make the trip to New Zeland to play airsoft one of these days, it's either that or wait till I eventually get myself relocated in Canada

[gazzthompson]

Originally Posted by PLODDITHANLEY

This thread interests me, I used to play paintball but I see lots here that airsoft.
Not searching for a battle but wondering the differences:

Airsoft seems alot cheaper especially regarding the balls/paintballs.

I have never airsofted but it looks like the paintballs hurt lots more, which must make it more realistic as players really don't want to be hit.

I guess you are more limited in places to play with paintball because of the mess they make even though they are biodegradable.

Your gun looks cool; but I personally would prefer one that looks more like a gun even though I appreciate that your type maybe more effective, I saw one by Bob long a m Tac 2 but it is rather expensive!

It would seem on airsoft very easy to cheat and not acknowledge if you were hit whereas in Paintball you can't lie?

I am not looking for a flame war just opinions of experienced players.

Im going to try keep this no bias to stop a flame war and the the thread turning into paintball vs airsoft, please people correcting me or commenting on what im saying do the same.

in my experience paintballs do hurt more yes, but airsoft bb's also sting. Airsoft guns are indeed more "real" they also have more range and accuracy than a paintball gun. As for cheating, it is indeed more easier in airsoft but with airsoft (at least at my local site) the players are the same players every week, you know the people and every one knows you so cheating is very much called apon if you dont take your hits.

as for price, for my local airsoft is indeed cheaper. once you have your own gun its only £20 every time you go and you can use left over bb's for next time, compared to paintball which here is about £40 (probably different in other places) .


as for the thread, this account has some really good professionally filmed and commentated speeball tournament play :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6rTE...layer_embedded

dose any one else have any pro filmed speedball tournament games?

[Warpig-]

Something people talking about paintball need to remember is you need to play with a club or in a tourny level to get the proper feel of the game. Airsoft would be just as lame if you played with a bunch of randoms and hired your gear every single time you went out to play

So yes paintball can be "family" orientated, but it can also played on a serious club level with the same involvement as airsoft. Believe you me club paintball is VERY different. Come out to a game and you'll quickly learn that 16 people using tactics shooting paint at you at 15-20 balls per second can be a daunting thing

What I will say is paintball is bloody expensive, average field paint here is 150 bucks (club discount) for 2000 rounds, plus you've got to spend a lot of money to get your marker the way you want it to shoot. And because it uses gas, messy liquids and parts moving under huge amounts of pressure they can be VERY temperamental. Where as you can use an airsoft gun straight out of the box and it'll usually go fairly well as long as you know you get what you pay for. So again, in future if I lived in a counry where I had the choice I'd pick airsoft hands down almost for cost alone. But 'eh what can you do.

Just for future reference, I know the thread is civil now but just wanted to say it anyway. I think arguing about how real paintball or airsoft is is kind of redundant, concidering they're plastic pellets and balls of liquid. They're never going to have properties anywhere close to proper projectiles and at the end of the day you're not going to get killed, it's a game that's all it is. So yes airsoft is a lot more realistic aesthetically, but it's still a game just like paintball

[cyberzomby]

Dang! this is an epic move right there halfway trough the movie:

YouTube - SPWPC 04: San Diego Dynasty vs. Pennsylvania Americans

Still, speedball looks like a spray-fest. Im sure theres loads of tactics involved, but it all seems to come down to speed and spray. Something I would like to try a few times but not to much. It might get old fast it seems. But im sure the adrenaline makes up for a lot :P

[eruffini]

Originally Posted by PLODDITHANLEY

I have never airsofted but it looks like the paintballs hurt lots more, which must make it more realistic as players really don't want to be hit.

In my experience, paintballs hurt more. At my home field that I used to frequent, the employees would walk around with Airsoft pistols. You never knew when they'd start having an Airsoft war inside the store. It was actually pretty funny.

I guess you are more limited in places to play with paintball because of the mess they make even though they are biodegradable.

Well, technically you can play paintball and Airsoft anywhere. However, most people who play paintball only do so on official fields that are designed for this. They include liability insurance, trained staff, and usually a pro/tech shop.

Renegade paintball, as we call it for those who play at home or on their own land, is not something I really support. I especially do not support those going around and shooting up people, cars, or houses - it gives all of us players a bad name.

Your gun looks cool; but I personally would prefer one that looks more like a gun even though I appreciate that your type maybe more effective, I saw one by Bob long a m Tac 2 but it is rather expensive!

My A-5 was converted to this:

OPSGEAR

I don't have any pictures unfortunately since I do not have my A-5 with me, but I use that for woodsball and scenario games.

My Ion, the black and orange looking speedball gun, does have a tactical body kit sitting here, but I do not usually use it. The 2 autocockers (the blue ones) I have I would never use for scenario or woodsball.

It would seem on airsoft very easy to cheat and not acknowledge if you were hit whereas in Paintball you can't lie?

Airsoft does require you use the honor system, however, paintball requires the same honor system. Nothing worse than knowing you hit your opponent and him wiping the paint when no one is looking. Although tournament level paint is made to be thicker so that it's difficult to wipe.

But yes, it is easier to know if you got hit by a paintball in my experience.

[eruffini]

Originally Posted by Warpig-

Something people talking about paintball need to remember is you need to play with a club or in a tourny level to get the proper feel of the game. Airsoft would be just as lame if you played with a bunch of randoms and hired your gear every single time you went out to play

Most of the time when I go play paintball it's either by myself, or my brother and a few friends. Most players are usually "walk on" players who play recreationally, and occasionally.

Then you have those that do this as more than a hobby, and play tournaments and the like.

No matter what your age or experience level, most fields will do their best to make it fun for you, and usually the more experienced players are very accomodating and helpful becuase they were where you were at one point.

So yes paintball can be "family" orientated, but it can also played on a serious club level with the same involvement as airsoft. Believe you me club paintball is VERY different. Come out to a game and you'll quickly learn that 16 people using tactics shooting paint at you at 15-20 balls per second can be a daunting thing

Hehe. Paintball IS a family oriented sport! Trust me - my father, my brother, and cousins, aunts, and uncles all played one day and they loved it. You can play and have fun and be serious, but at the end of the day you talk and laugh about some of the silly and crazy things that happened.

About the whole ROF thing.. only those people who go and purchase paintball markers that can fire that fast will be able to. Most people even with that equipment can't shoot that fast on semi-automatic. I think the fastest that I've been able to was 16 BPS although my Ion can shoot upwards of 30+ BPS if I put it on ramping mode instead of semi-automatic.

Most games at a paintball field, unless you're on a speedball specific field, won't be that fast so that kids can enjoy playing.

What I will say is paintball is bloody expensive, average field paint here is 150 bucks (club discount) for 2000 rounds, plus you've got to spend a lot of money to get your marker the way you want it to shoot. And because it uses gas, messy liquids and parts moving under huge amounts of pressure they can be VERY temperamental. Where as you can use an airsoft gun straight out of the box and it'll usually go fairly well as long as you know you get what you pay for. So again, in future if I lived in a counry where I had the choice I'd pick airsoft hands down almost for cost alone. But 'eh what can you do.

You are right - paintball is *very* expensive if you're not a sponsored team or player. However, not quite THAT expensive here in the states. I'll compare the 3 fields I frequent and what I pay:

Paintball Authority - Old Bridge, NJ
Entry: $25
Air pass: Included in entry
Paintballs: $45 - $60 for one case (2000 rounds)

Top Gun Paintball - Jackson, NJ
Entry: $40
Air pass: Included in entry
Paintballs: $80 for one case

Adrenaline Paintball - El Paso, TX
Entry: $10 (military discount)
Air pass: Included in entry
Paintballs: $45 - $60 for one case

And this is just to play one day. Now if you want your own equipment, that's a lot more money up front! All fields will rent equipment out to you if you don't have your own though.

Just for future reference, I know the thread is civil now but just wanted to say it anyway. I think arguing about how real paintball or airsoft is is kind of redundant, concidering they're plastic pellets and balls of liquid. They're never going to have properties anywhere close to proper projectiles and at the end of the day you're not going to get killed, it's a game that's all it is. So yes airsoft is a lot more realistic aesthetically, but it's still a game just like paintball

I think we are all adults here - I'm sure we can keep this a civilized discussion!

Originally Posted by [R-COM]cyberzomby

Dang! this is an epic move right there halfway trough the movie:

YouTube - SPWPC 04: San Diego Dynasty vs. Pennsylvania Americans

Still, speedball looks like a spray-fest. Im sure theres loads of tactics involved, but it all seems to come down to speed and spray. Something I would like to try a few times but not to much. It might get old fast it seems. But im sure the adrenaline makes up for a lot :P

Dynasty is a team that has been around playing professionally for a long time. The PA Americans haven't been around as long, but are full of big name players too.

One thing you have to understand about tournament level speedball is that it's a game based SOLELY on tactics and skill. The people you see playing in that video practice their tactics, strategies, and hone thier skills for hours upon hours each day.

For tournaments, they'll usually check out the field the first morning of the tournament and start talking strategy. Which bunkers offer the most cover. Which lanes are open and which bunkers can be used to effectively shoot down that lane.

Speedball is not about spraying. You have to understand that if your first few paintballs don't hit your target, all the ones behind it won't. Did you know that when you do get hit out, it's usually by someone shooting one or two balls at a time and not spraying? It's called "snap shooting". Peeking outside the bunker just long enough to shoot a ball or two where the opponent is thought to be.

When you do run throughs (rushes) and bunker someone, yeah it's more like spraying, but it's also accurate. These people practice these techniques and skills all the time. Any "spraying" done is usually to keep someone from moving from their bunker so that someone else can come up and shoot them.

[sparks50]

I say good players are what makes the difference, Irregardless of the sport. Lets not discuss PB vs AS here, it will only breed negativity.

[eruffini]

Let me list my marker setups:

Smart Parts Ion
Smart Parts Ion
Smart Parts Q-Lock Feedneck
Smart Parts QEV Kit
Smart Parts Blackheart Board
TechT L6 Bolt
TechT Detents
FBM Kage Body Kit (with custom anodizing job)
Dye Hyper3 Regulator
Dye Sticky 3 Grips
Dye Rotor Hopper
Dye Rotor Quick-Feed Kit
New Designz Roller Trigger
New Designz Ion Threaded Breech
New Designz Ion Firing Can
Stiffi Carbon Fiber Barrel, 12"
J & J Ceramic Barrel Kit, 14" + different bore size adapters
Custom Products On/Off ASA
Empire Reloader B Hopper

The only thing stock is the frame because I haven't found one that I like and is lighter. All these parts are lighter than the stock parts.

WGP 2005 ProStock Autococker #1
WGP 2005 ProStock Autococker
Hybrid .45 Grip Panels
Redz Clamping Feedneck
Stiffi Carbon Fiber Barrel, 12"
Dye UltraLite Barrel, 14"
Evil Pipe Barrel Kit, 12" + different bore size adapters
Empire Reloader 12v Hopper

WGP 2005 ProStock Autococker #2
WGP 2005 ProStock Autococker
Nothing else custom (this is my backup)

Tippmann 98 Custom
Tippmann 98 Custom
Tippmann Vertical Adapter
Tippmann Grip Expansion Chamber
Tippmann Double Trigger
Tippmann Flatline Barrel
BT Model 98 Spring Kit
Shockteck Drop Forward
Custom Products On/Off ASA
Empire Reloader 12v Hopper
Dye UltraLite Barrel, 12"
J & J Ceramic Barrel, 14"

Tippmann A-5
Tippmann A-5 with E-Grip
OPSGEAR UMP Scenario Kit
ADCO Red Dot Sight

Tippman TPX Pistol
Tippmann TPX Pistol
Tippmann TPX Mag Kit (2 extra magazines)
Tippmann Hammerhead Rifled TPX Barrel

Other / Extra Equipment
Crossfire 68/3000 HPA Tank
Crossfire 68/4500 HPA Tank
PMI 20oz CO2 Tank
PMI Pure Energy Remote Coil with Quick Disconnect
Custom Products Grip Regulator
Redz On/Off ASA
Empire '09 Tank Cover (Red)
Empire '09 Tank Cover (Gray)
Dye '06 Jersey (Blue)
Proto '08 Jersey (Gray)
Proto '08 Jersey (Olive)
Proto '08 Pants (Olive)
Mantis Transfix Men's Paintball Shoes
OPSGEAR Elite Tactical Paintball Vest
Parts Kits for all markers
Barrel Bag
Gear Bag
All Stock parts for all markers

I am also picking up my brothers Smart Parts 2003 Shocker.

[Warpig-]

That list makes me feel less guilty about the amount of PB gear I have lol, nice haul man

I'm really biased about the ROF thing, where I play at our club a lot of the guys are ex army and more than a few were section gunners. Needless to say, they love to shoot buckets of paint lol

[eruffini]

Originally Posted by Warpig-

That list makes me feel less guilty about the amount of PB gear I have lol, nice haul man

I'm really biased about the ROF thing, where I play at our club. A lot of the guys are ex army, and more than a few were section gunners. Needless to say, they love to shoot buckets of paint lol

Sometimes I wonder how I got this much gear.

Actually, I am very smart about it - most of it I have not paid for out of my own pocket!

I usually wait until my birthday and Christmas (no joke) to purchase my upgrades. When people ask what I want I direct them to Actionvillage gift certificates.