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Old 03-28-2006, 10:37 PM   #1
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The Senate Judiciary Commitee has recently approved this, and is trying to pass it onto the House:


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"...In general, the Judiciary Committee's bill is designed to strengthen enforcement of U.S. borders, regulate the flow into the country of guest workers and determine the legal future of the estimated 11 million immigrants living in the United States illegally.The bill would double the Border Patrol and authorize a "virtual wall" of unmanned vehicles, cameras and sensors to monitor the U.S.-Mexico border. It also would allow more visas for nurses and agriculture workers, and shelter humanitarian organizations from prosecution if they provide non-emergency assistance to illegal residents.
The most contentious provision would permit illegal aliens currently in the country to apply for citizenship without first having to return home, a process that would take at least six years. They would have to pay a fine, learn English, study American civics, demonstrate they had paid their taxes and take their place behind other applicants for citizenship, according to aides to Kennedy, D-Mass., who was instrumental in drafting the legislation.
...The Judiciary Committee also approved a five-year plan to provide visas for about 1.5 million agriculture workers and allow them to eventually seek legal residency.
Recent polls show that about six in 10 Americans oppose letting illegal immigrants remain in the country and apply for citizenship and three of every four don't believe the government is doing enough to stem the continuing tide of new arrivals."


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Does anybody know why the word ILLEGAL is put in front of Immigrant? Seriously!!! If you are doing something ILLEGAL you should not be rewarded with US CITIZENSHIP!!! Your ass should be kicked back to Mexico/Wherever-the-hell-else-you-came-from.

This makes the legitimate citizenship process a joke, as every 20 years, the US grants Amnesty to all the illegals (this happened before in 1986, more on that in a minute), and does practically nothing to enforce laws regarding being in the country illegally.

In 1986, amnesty was granted to about 3 million illegal immigrants. Along with making a mockery of the legitimate citizenship program, this was viewed as an invitation to others. The 3 million illegals bloomed to 11 million (which is the low estimate btw) in 20 years, as they brought thier familes and encouraged freinds. We now have 11 million people who DO NOT PAY TAXES yet RECIVE GOV BENEFITS! This is a great robbery of the American people!

Besides being political suicide for the Republicans supporting it (11 million poor imigrants from quasi socialistic counties... I'm sure they'll be voting Republican...), this is national suicide! Borders are one of the most defining apects of a nation, and ours are dissolving as we speak. This is an outrage.

Also, the Border Security part of this whole thing is very lacking. We need a big fucking fence, patrolled by the national guard, or some real, dedicated border security force, with large, indimidating, reduntant, scary, security measures. Cameras and sensors and unmanned drones? We need active patrols, by armed vehicles, armed troops, and flyovers by armed helicopters, along with fences that will actually stop you if you touch them.

Now, I'm all for a guest worker program, but this is not it. This is illegitimate citizenship. This is like the germanic people invading the fallen empire of Rome and making Romans second class citizens. If unchecked, where will we be in another 20 years? 50, 60, 70 million illegal immigrants? Our culture, language, borders and overall way of life are on the line here...

This is perhaps the worst crisis the nation has faced in my lifetime.


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Old 03-29-2006, 05:09 AM   #2
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I understand your frustration. Europe suffers from the exact same problem. Millions of illegal immigrants came to Europe (and still many come every year) and they only bring problems with them. In most big European city's, more than 50 % is non-European and in those city's are the worst problems. More crimes and violence every year and it's still getting worse. People who deny these problems must be blind. Some left-winged political party's even encourage immigration to Europe, and unfortunatly those party's are getting more populair so there is a big change it will be even easier in the future to come to Europe from -whatever- part of the world. Just like you said, it's suicide of a nation.

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Old 03-29-2006, 07:35 AM   #3
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I am in San Antonio, Texas: one of the most Mexican-"American" cities in all of the United States. I can tell you a couple things: There are lots of 'em and some Sure Aint Legal.
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Old 03-29-2006, 04:35 PM   #4
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Some left-winged political party's even encourage immigration to Europe, and unfortunatly those party's are getting more populair
You know why...? Because all the poor immigrants are voting for the liberal left wing parties, who will raise taxes, rob the rich and give to the poor (read: immigrants). It's not very hard to see nations disintegrating because of this.

This is one stituation where I feel that not just one party, but the entire American political system has utterly failed.

EDIT: HOLY SHIT. This is Reconquista!


Source: http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004869.htm

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03/28 : Student protest

Whittier area students from Pioneer, California and Whittier high schools walked out of classes to protest the proposed federal immigration bill March 27, 2006. The protestors put up the Mexican flag over the American flag flying upside down at Montebello High. (Leo Jarzomb/Staff photo)
We are in trouble... We have 11 million people who are NOT obviously do not pledge thier allegiance to the United States of America so much as Mexico... this is cultural war at its most tense, where patriotic tensions on both side are reaching the breaking point.


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Old 03-29-2006, 05:28 PM   #5
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Cultural war is a good way to describe it. I think the situation is very frustrating sometimes as I see how it is ruining our country (I live in The Netherlands). Stores and shops from original countrymen dissapear and are replaced by immigrants (it starts in the big city's), most of the time they can't even speak our language... The patriotism you are talking about is almost non-existant here. In The Netherlands people think it's a shame to have your own country flag on your jacket (must be the only country in the world ). You know why? Because our country flag is offencive in the eyes of immigrants. Things like this just make me pissed... It's hard to accept that the society is changing but it's also not good to be angry all day.

Now I go play some Battlefield.
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Old 03-29-2006, 05:42 PM   #6
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i live next to some very rich people and once a week 10+ mexicans are out mowing their lawn. only two are legal (the manager and the guy that drives the truck). if it wasn't for the need of a drivers license and some english skills, there wouldnt be a single legal immigrant out there!
The rest of this stuff that comes along with this law is good. if you read the rest you would see that it makes illegal immigrants felons, and anyone who provides jobs for them is also commiting a felony and can serve 3-12 years in prison. they had to add some compromise to the bill if they ever expected it to pass in congress. The funny thing is alot of these protests are taking place in the north when they dont have any idea how big of a problem illegal immigration is. I have been to San Antonio, and literally >60% of the population is hispanic. i would bet my boots that 10% of em are illegal... !!!!!!!
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Old 03-29-2006, 06:52 PM   #7
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You know why...? Because all the poor immigrants are voting for the liberal left wing parties, who will raise taxes, rob the rich and give to the poor (read: immigrants). It's not very hard to see nations disintegrating because of this.

This is one stituation where I feel that not just one party, but the entire American political system has utterly failed.

EDIT: HOLY SHIT. This is Reconquista!


Source: http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004869.htm



We are in trouble... We have 11 million people who are NOT obviously do not pledge thier allegiance to the United States of America so much as Mexico... this is cultural war at its most tense, where patriotic tensions on both side are reaching the breaking point.
Wow, I see what they're doing! Since their country is the biggest hellhole in the Americas, they have to come here illegally, and tell us how WE should run OUR country. Fucking Mexicans.

The hypocracy in that photo is amazing! "Oh, America is a horrible place, but let's keep crossing the border by the millions anyway! I HATE America, but I still want all my 400 family members to be able to cross the border to a land of greater opportunity!"

Why don't they just fix the damn problems in their country instead of pushing their agenda on us? I don't really mind Mexicans, but honestly, if they're illegal then they have no place in telling us how to run or administer our country.
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Old 03-30-2006, 12:26 AM   #8
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Because their country is a hellhole, and they don't have an upper class to sap the wealth from (well, they do, but they generally own the government and extra legal enforcement/gangs). In America, if you pander to liberals, and say you weren't given a fair chance because you are Mexican, then the liberals scream RACISM and demand that everyone else gives money to the poor racially abused Mexicans. BUT FOR SOME FUCKING REASON the Republicans are doing this aswell!!! I don't get it.


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Old 03-30-2006, 01:37 AM   #9
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I have some mixed feelings on the issue. I live in California, specifically near the Salinas Valley, which is a very large argicultural area and as such you get a lot of Mexican workers, many of which aren't exactly legal. At times I get annoyed and say we should deport them all, but at the same time I realize we do need them to do the work, because they do the jobs that most people don't want to. I think it should be easier for them to gain citizenship, so that this way they are atleast giving back to the society they benifet from. I'm not talking about handing citizenship out like hotcakes, but perhaps speeding up the process for illegals who have been here for a while and have a job where they are actually being productive.

The recent rallies in California have made me laugh though. They talk about "unfairly targeting" illegal immigrants. Maybe they haven't figured out what the word "illegal" means? I don't see how you can unfairly target someone who is already breaking the law. Once you break the law you are fair game for whatever the government wants to throw at you, granted its not cruel and unusual punishment.

All the Mexican flags are starting to get onto my nerves as well. Seeing the rallies with hundreds of Mexican flags really made me want to deport any illegals in the crowd. I have no problem with being proud of your heritage, but when you start waving Mexican flags and claiming that the government isn't being nice enough to your illegal ass...well, thats when "Love it or leave it" doesn't seem so bad. The best way for them to stop drawing attention is to assimilate more into the culture. Isolating themselves into Mexican-only areas where they speak Spanish all the time, isn't exactly going to help.

I see the Irish as being a good example of assimilation without losing your cultural identity. Irish people are so spread out and diversified in American culture that nobody even really thinks about it anymore. When the first large influxes of Irishmen came to America, they responded to the culture shock like modern day Mexicans, gathering together in certain areas, and they were the target of discrimination and other such things. Now they have blended into the American culture, but still retain pride of their heritage (St Patrick's Day). Its my wish that Mexicans would turn out like the Irish did, but with all these advocates for the "unfairly targeted" and their growing influence...today's culture might just not allow for mass culture blending as with the Irish...

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Old 03-30-2006, 01:53 AM   #10
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