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Old 01-27-2008, 03:25 PM   #41
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I dislike the CoS because it is as plausible as Star Wars.
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That and the fact they defend their beliefs by insulting the credibility or the beliefs of the person questioning them. There is a line between religions and cults, and this by far fits into cult territory.


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Old 01-27-2008, 03:37 PM   #42
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Old 01-27-2008, 04:05 PM   #43
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The acts of idea suppression, withholding of medication and medical help, required monetary donations and forced physical exploitation or extreme isolation, along with its totalitarianism and violations of fundamental human rights clearly define the Church of Scientology as a cult.

Other than the surface definitions of religion or cults, do not expand this into a religious argument so the mods and the AWS can frying people


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Old 01-27-2008, 04:23 PM   #44
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i hate their secrecy, if they were completely 100% open like other major religions then there would not be that much of an issue apart from the beliefs are wack. oh and they need to ditch the whole money charging membership thing they got going, its no t a religion its a scam thats why i hate it.

lol there are some prank calls on the net about scientology churches getting rick rolled and bel aired


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The acts of idea suppression, withholding of medication and medical help, required monetary donations and forced physical exploitation or extreme isolation, along with its totalitarianism and violations of fundamental human rights clearly define the Church of Scientology as a cult.
Ummm, every single on of those can be attributed to the major religions. Perhaps not forcing of money (almost certain in the past 1000 years they have been guilty of this though), but the rest 100%, and all of them in the past 30 years. Its honestly just size. The reason is very good. Religion itself is not evil, but it holds incredible power. Power corrupts, and by nature we are selfish evil bastards anyway. The larger the religion, the more dangerous. Its purely because of the people.
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Ummm, every single on of those can be attributed to the major religions. Perhaps not forcing of money (almost certain in the past 1000 years they have been guilty of this though), but the rest 100%, and all of them in the past 30 years. Its honestly just size. The reason is very good. Religion itself is not evil, but it holds incredible power. Power corrupts, and by nature we are selfish evil bastards anyway. The larger the religion, the more dangerous. Its purely because of the people.
I'm referring to religions today. In almost all religions (disregarding country of origin, literacy, and government polices - Ceteris paribus) in the world you are free to read any books and watch any movie you want. You are not forced to work at various "offices", as you can work there at your own will. You do not have to pay money to know about the belief systems of the religions, most of them will freely explain their beliefs if asked. Most world religions allow you to live and work where ever you wish and come and go as you wish. And most religions allow you to see doctors and take medicine when you are sick - whether it be from a virus or it being a psychological disorder. The CoS takes religious aspects and skews them into the definition of a cult.

I will agree with you that with great power usually comes greed and corruption. It is fundamental flaw within humanity.


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Some further info on Scientology for those that are generally unfamiliar with it.

The truth about Scientology, a religion (cult) created by science-fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard. Some videos below if you're interested in knowing the truth about it. Of course this is only a few videos and a small amount of information, and you can go on and find many more yourself.

-Southpark (What Scientologists truly believe)
-The Story of OTIII (Adds on to the Southpark info)
-The Un-funny Truth about scientology
-The Un-Funny Sequel about Scientology
-Crazy Scientologists

As the second video stated, they believe that if you become a Scientologist and take very expensive "audit" (self-improvement) classes then you can eventually take the thetan (alien soul) out of your human body and become free. If it does not work, you re-take the audit courses. Eventually, after you are completley free of the thetan you will be able to have certain powers, like controlling things with your mind.

I personally don't think the reason to dislike them is because of their insane Sci-Fi belief's though, its because of their true criminal acts that have flourished throughout time. This includes the way they treat those who do not completley support them. Many people have died 'mysteriously' shortly after taking a stand against Scientology. Even some who simply try to leave the church of Scientology may not only be blackmailed through information they have about the people, but harm as well. Multiple people have gone bankrupt off this cult in the past because of the brainwashing they do to you to make you believe you must pay for audits and donate tons to become a free being.

Please correct me if I am wrong about any of the above. Feel free to add any information of videos.

Additionally, the "Scientology Kills" Myspace group can be found here for those interested. There are Facebook ones as well.

Also, "Honk if you hate Scientology" Rally in Orlando. Made me grin.
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