The right to bear arms.

[SiN|ScarFace]

Kid was a ward of the state from 14 to 18 and was on mental medication recently and all the other crap that happened to this individual. Gun laws won't stop this type from getting a weapon, or any criminal, they have their own gun stores run by like minded people and don't pay taxes on them. Nothing will change that.

The police clean up the mess and make reports, they do not PREVENT crime, they deal with it. It's not Minority Report, yet. How many 911 calls have there been made where the caller is begging for help into a PHONE while and armed assailant executes them.... Even in this case, people called 911 and 911 said they had people on the way, all the while you can hear BAM BAM BAM BAM in the background, and sobbing hysterical women all around. When the police actually get eyes on the perp, he is 9/10 missing his mind by then.

Hypothetical... If say it was common knowledge that many people in any populated place were armed and willing to use it, would you have the balls to go into a crowded area and open fire? Esp when you know that by there being more people, the chances of being shot yourself skyrocket, and your balls would shrink equally. These types are usually cowards, they know they will be unopposed when they open fire and that makes them feel like they have absolute power, and they do.

Telling people things are wrong, like stealing and crime that involves a victim, does little to prevent crime as the punishment is weak (prison). Now if you knew the chances of you being shot were more likely than not, you probably won't risk your life for the money in a register or items in a home or taking a car and you have just weeded out the petty because it's easy criminal from the I got nothing to lose hardcore thug.

Criminals get guns no matter what any law says.
Armed citizens have an actual means for defense that places your life in your own hands.
More armed people = less crime.
Society breakdown is the root of crime.

[The_motivator]

Originally Posted by Morgan

Didn't the kid who recently was in the news have psychological problems when he was younger? He threated to murder his step mother. Seems like someone like that shouldn't get his hands on a rifle...

Don't know where you live, but contraband is generally easily hidden if you aren't under investigation...

This kid had issues, but he wasn't under criminal investigation. If he obtained the firearm illegally, there's nothing the cops or FBI would've known about to stop him.

Find a drug dealer in any major city and bring... maybe $150 tops, and you can get yourself an untraceable pistol.

My prices may be a little off, but seing as this shmuck was out of school for a year and a half almost, and I'd imagine he had some sort of job to pay his landlord... he must have also had money he stored up for a weapon, or just money sitting around. Through one of his little druggie emo friends, he found out about a dealer who got him a gun for cheap. My theory. Could be wrong. But I could also be right. Mr Blood, Latin King, MS13 on the street corner doesn't care what this kid is gonna do with the gun. They just made cash on a gun they shot another dealer for.

[Lothrian]

Originally Posted by D_LaMz

Not true. http://www.weaponvideos.org/viewvide...n_gun_control/

Your missing the point. That kid was not a criminal until he fired that first shot. I have no idea if he had a record, but lets assume this is like most cases where a kid with problems finally snapped. Sure, a criminal gets anything they want, including weapon grade plutonium... as was seen by that arrest in Israel last week, but most of these things are normally people who for whatever reason get pushed to the edge.

If you are a criminal, sure it wont stop you, but then again, criminals with good connections (and the ability to use them) have been around long enough not to go on shooting sprees, since that usually means getting caught or killed.

[Rambo Hunter]

Originally Posted by .:iGi:. Eggenberg4Ever

I'm not so sure that would be the case. I don't think the solution to a gun problem is more guns, particularly in the example I cited.

Why is that/. if the teacher or a teacher nearby was packing heat, they could have stopped the shooter before he could harm as many peopple as he did. In the VA Tech shooting we had to wait until he killed himself, if professors were packing heat, i have no doubt in my mind that it would've been stopped earlier than it did.

You don't see criminal shooting up police stations. why? because they'd get gunend down. I forget my source, but a poll showed that one of a criminal's (non-suicidal) biggest fears is getting killed when they break into a house.

A few years ago a naked man armed with a pitchfork (not gun) broke into a house with 3 or 4 kids and started stabbing on of them. The eldest of them tries to get a gun, but the law was that it needs to be locked up. By the time she ran over to a neighbor's house to call the police (the criminal cut the phone lines and no cell phone) and the police finally arrived, she was the only surviving child. what would the outcome be if she was able to get the gun out and stop the criminal before he killed all her siblings?

[[R-DEV]Masaq]

Scrap the right to bear arms and replace it with the right to arm bears.

If you guys had bigass grizzlies wandering around with automatic weapons in their giant oversized paws, no-one would break any laws at all, and your streets would be safe.

[Rambo Hunter]

Originally Posted by [R-MOD]Masaq

Scrap the right to bear arms and replace it with the right to arm bears.

If you guys had bigass grizzlies wandering around with automatic weapons in their giant oversized paws, no-one would break any laws at all, and your streets would be safe.

You have a point....

All in favor?

[mrmong]

guys its silly to try and argue this point when most of the forum is filled with people who get boners from reloading machine guns.

this should be locked, we've had this argument before, the more gunz = less crimez argument gives me a headache.

[SiN|ScarFace]

Villages full of men with sharp sticks and arrows and bows are less likely to have womenz stolen and pigs eaten.

[Fullforce]

Originally Posted by [R-MOD]Wasteland

Fullforce, if I was going up against an armed psycho, I'd much rather have a pistol than a tazer (I'd also rather have an SMG than a pistol, but whatever)...

Well, with a pistol in your hands, and an armed gunman in front of you, you might hesitate before shooting the guy. That could be a life-threatening hesitation. If you do shoot, you've killed him. However, with a Tazer, you have no reason to hesistate, and no killing. You've dropped him and the problem's solved.

However, a Tazer isn't much use against a 19 year old kid who's across the Mall from you shooting his assault rifle at everyone.

Also, it IS true that giving everyone guns cuts crime considerably. I don't know where, but I know that in one town in the US, crime was a serious issue. They gave everyone pistols to keep in their home, and the crime stopped. Straight away. However, I'm not sure if I'd still feel safe. Sure, the pistol will protect me, but I'd rather that I'd not need it in the first place and the area be free from crime. But alas, that's not going to happen.

[mrmong]

Originally Posted by SiN|ScarFace

Villages full of men with sharp sticks and arrows and bows are less likely to have womenz stolen and pigs eaten.

I dont live in texas.