Serious question about US weapon exports

[WNxLT7]

If the US army was to go back to the 7.62 then what rifle would be the preferred choice?
I personally like the M1A
the FN-SCAR H

the HK417

They all seem to be packing the punch from the 7.62 and hold their accuracy. the only problem I could see arising is the weight issue.

[DOAW]

Which, ironically, are also used on a crap load of bolt actions like the Kar98 and the Mosin-Nagant.

And they weren't any better then. Just because a design perpetuates itself doesn't mean it's great, just good enough.

If you want to see an awkward selector/safety, look at the FAMAS and SA80.

So? Just because something else is bad doesn't make the AK's any better.

I guess you haven't seen any of the aftermarket rails you can buy for AKs.

I have, but none of those were available in 1947, which runs counter to the argument that the AK47 was near perfect in it's inception.

Could you make a lot of changes to the AK47 to make it much better? Sure, but it would hardly be an AK47 then. My original argument still stands, neither the AK47 nor the M16 is the best, and we should be looking at what new designs work well, not trying to rationalize why we should hang on to the old ones.

[D_LaMz]

Originally Posted by Rico11b

Here is an idea! How bout all those guys that love the M16/5.56mm take one hunting with you. How bout going after a North American Black Bear, or even a Mountain Lion I'll bet almost 3/4 of you won't return, and if you do you will have pieces missing. Then tell me about how awesome you think the M16's or the 5.56mm rounds are. You'll have a better chance against an animal, cause they won't be shooting back.

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You must be crazy if you go bear hunting with anything less then .375 H&H.

Also about the M16 malfunctions, they are over blown.

Originally Posted by RustedAce

Mine worked fine. No jams at all, not once.

WNxKenwayy, what did you use to lube your rifle, CLP? Did you run it dry or wet? I also agree that the mags are bad, many failures are blamed on the mags, not the rifle. Get some Magpul mag rebuild Kits or Pmags, better than the HK mags.

Now back on the topic of US arms sales, there are a lot of old M16s and M60 in use in South Eastern Asian countries.

Originally Posted by WNxLT7

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I would say the M14 because we have thousands of them at the CMP and armories. Then the 417 because of similarity to the AR/M16 series.

Also, bigger bore size does not mean accuracy.

[WNxKenwayy]

Originally Posted by D_LaMz

You must be crazy if you go bear hunting with anything less then .375 H&H.

Also about the M16 malfunctions, they are over blown.



WNxKenwayy, what did you use to lube your rifle, CLP? Did you run it dry or wet? I also agree that the mags are bad, many failures are blamed on the mags, not the rifle. Get some Magpul mag rebuild Kits or Pmags, better than the HK mags.

Now back on the topic of US arms sales, there are a lot of old M16s and M60 in use in South Eastern Asian countries.


I would say the M14 because we have thousands of them at the CMP and armories. Then the 417 because of similarity to the AR/M16 series.

Also, bigger bore size does not mean accuracy.

CLP to start, then switched to graphite which was okay but burned off to quickly and was kind of hard to acquire, before settling with Hopps. Our best balance was to keep the weapons dry on the start of the mission then when we thought we might gain contact/or did we all had the mini-spray cans and gave it a few squirts. Very very less than ideal but it worked okay. Still ran into tons of extracting issues mostly from the rubber stopper in the bolt drying out and causing damage to the spring.

I got the HK's because that was what was available, and I've had maybe 2 total jams ever that were a result of the mags, and one was my fault really. Love the HK mags.

I can tell you right now, either your buddy got lucky as shit and got some magical m16, or he didn't shoot it that much. An m4 with that much dirt on it over there on the ejection side will fire 1 mag probably before jamming. When you swap mags the ejection port is open and so is the mag well which knocks in a lot of dirt to the receiver. Even a few grains can fubar the timing cycle of a m4/m16 and cause misfires/stovepipes.

[DOAW]

Is it just me, or does that look like an M4 lower with an M16a4 upper?

[sekiryu]

That's an M16A4 with a collapsable stock.

I have, but none of those were available in 1947, which runs counter to the argument that the AK47 was near perfect in it's inception.

Name a single rifle that had a rail system in 1947. Or the need to place a PEQ/flashlight/vertical foregrip/red dot in 1947.

[WNxKenwayy]

Originally Posted by sekiryu

That's an M16A4 with a collapsable stock.



Name a single rifle that had a rail system in 1947. Or the need to place a PEQ/flashlight/vertical foregrip/red dot in 1947.

Crap you beat me too it, forgot to mention that

[DOAW]

Originally Posted by sekiryu

That's an M16A4 with a collapsable stock.

Yeah, I wonder when they started issuing those.

[[R-MOD]Bob_Marley]

Back on topic.

Now.

This is not a place for you chaps & chapettes to go on about guns. Please find an appropriate thread. I am watching like a hawk. One more off topic post and the key to this thread goes to room 101.

Clear?

[WNxKenwayy]

Wish I had a picture of my brigade commanders m4-16. It was a M4 through and through, except for a m16 plastic butt stock. Weirdest thing you ever saw. But when your a brigade commander you can do things like that

LOL had this page open before your post went up bob