December 21/2012 Cozmic fart?

[JohnnyPissoff]

Lets see, being pragmatic about it, and assuming we are all destined die anyway, wouldn't it be cool to be here when the earths axis shift or a mega-comet hits? Again, I mean if we were gonna die anyway?

[[R-MOD]Eddiereyes909]

Originally Posted by JohnnyPissoff

Lets see, being pragmatic about it, and assuming we are all destined die anyway, wouldn't it be cool to be here when the earths axis shift or a mega-comet hits? Again, I mean if we were gonna die anyway?

ha i don't care, as long as i get laid it will be a good day

[JohnnyPissoff]

Originally Posted by Eddiereyes909

ha i don't care, as long as i get laid it will be a good day

hahahaha...drum roll please... Hey how bout one of these foxes: http://emuse.ebaumsworld.com/flash/play/745/

[Ti_GER Niqo]

Originally Posted by JohnnyPissoff

Firstly Ti Ger Nigo, I'm certainly not a professional mathematician, I'm a commodities options trader. I have to calculate delta models in order to establish retracement and foreward values.

Unlike you, I'm a rank noob when it comes to DNA sequencing but I'll give it a shot as well as see what I can dig up:

Here's what I do know about genetics; The double helix is 34 (I think they are called angstroms?) long by 21 angstroms wide. The numbers 21 and 34 fall with-in the Fibonacci sequence. So the construction of DNA can indeed be seen in terms of the string ratio.
0-1-1-2-3-5-8-13 > 21-34 < 21-13-8-5-3-2-1-1-0 Remember it doesn't have to be in order as long as it's with-in the defined linear recurrence form.

I also found several sites that respond to my criteria. This one seems to cover the subject nicely, but like I say there are several more, if as you say, you would be interested in knowing:
http://www.goldenmuseum.com/1611GenCode_engl.html Since you're the Geneticist skip the introduction and scroll to "Some useful analogies between Fibonacci code and genetic code"

While I was searching I found this handy site that explains the Fibonacci numbers much better then I could. with some nice examples in the way of pictures.
http://www.world-mysteries.com/sci_17.htm
Scroll down for the nice pictures.


No offence, but as you say you're a Genetic Pro, don't you understand the use of algorithms in terms of numerical computations for the analysis of the Human Genome Project? I would think that you would have heard of Fibonacci sequential use.

P.S. Again since you say your interested, if you want, come on my vent and further discuss Fibonacci sequences, the golden string ratio, Elliot wave theory (which I do know a bit about as I use on a daily basis) or genetic code or sequencing. I'm willing to learn a few things. It's all good either way man.

Whops, sorry, but I forgot about this thread almost completly

But indeed, I heard about fibonacci seq in my bioinformatics lecture, and their use in sequencing, although I don't remember that much. Also my knowledge on bioinformatics and sequencing is rather limited, as its not part of my job.I'm more of a wet worker in the lab. I'll try not to look like a complete fool, though ^^:

The size of DNA is not constant, afaik - the width ranges from 20 to 26 angström (2.0 - 2.6 nm), depending on the degree of condensation(supercoiling, A-,B-,Z- DNA). The major groove is 22A, the minor 12A wide. A length for DNA cannot be given, as DNA varies in size and again degree of condensation. The length of the DNA of a single human cell would be 8m IIRC, when it's relaxed (uncondensed). Condensed, it fits easily in a cell with a diameter of 10 µm.

When I read your post (I was at work :P) I tought about a DNA sequence as the succession of the bases A,T,C,G and that someone thought he might have found a pattern in such a succession which follows the fibonacci seq, which is impossible, thats why I asked. So, no offense.

I had a quick look on the links you gave me, I'll read them tonight, as I'm at work again, but just one quick note:

1. Note the following analogies between the 6-digit Fibonacci code and genetic code: The first analogy. For representation of numbers the 6-digit binary Fibonacci code uses 26 = 64 binary code combinations from 000000 up to 111111, that coincides with number of triplets of genetic code: 43 = 64.
2. The second analogy. Using the 6-digit Fibonacci code it is possible to represent 21 integers starting since the number of 0 encoded with the 6-digit binary combination 00000 and finishing with the maximum number 20 encoded with the 6-digit code combination 111111. Note that using triplet's coding we can represent also 21 objects including 20 amino acids and one additional object using for coding of the stop-codonum (a sign of the punctuation) carrying in itself the information about termination of protein synthesis.
3. The third analogy. The main feature of Fibonacci code is the multiplicity of number representation. Except of the minimum number of 0 and the maximum number of 20, which have in Fibonacci code alone code representations (accordingly 000000 and 111111), all remaining numbers from 1 up to 19 have in Fibonacci code multiple representations, that is, they use not less than two code combinations for their representation. It is necessary to note that in genetic code property of multiplicity of representation also is used and it is called called as "degeneracy" of genetic code.

Thus, between the 6-digit Fibonacci code and genetic code, based on triplet's representation of amino acids, there are rather interesting analogies, which allow to select Fibonacci code in special class of redundant codes among other ways of redundant coding. One may express assumption that just a study of Fibonacci code can promote finding new features of genetic code. It is possible to state the supposition, that similar analogies can become rather useful at a solution of a problem of the DNA-based bio-computers design.

to 1.: ok, right so far (although I dunno about the binarys)
to 2.: there are 21 aminoacides, but normaly selenocystein does not count. There are also more than one stopcodon (IIRC 3), and a startcodon.
to 3.: The degradation of the genetic code is not the same for all aminoacids, there are AA's that are coded by a single triplett, and others coded by 4 tripletts.
So the analogies are not very big, as far as I can tell.

Thanks for the invitation, mate, but my knowledge of maths in general is limited (always hated it ^^) and since I'm no native speaker, I think a ventrilo chat about higher maths would be rather annoying for both of us. Once again, no offense!
So far for the moment, sorry again I replied so late.
I'll check the rest tonight.
Cheers!
Niqo

[JohnnyPissoff]

Ah hey Ti, I seriously didn't take any offence at all. I've noticed your posts and consider you a very conscientious fellow. In fact like you I was very curious as well, and learned a hell of a lot by doing the research for the post.

I as well, have always hated math, but have found it to be extremely interesting lately. I'm actually a sociologist and use that gift with calculus to study group behavior in regard to open interest and general trading patterns.

Oh and btw, I speak German (aber schleicht heh), I'm bi-cultural. Half my family live in Germany and not only was I "geboren in Deutschland", I've also lived there for a total of 7 years at different times (9 out of my first 14 years were spent in Europe. My family would live in either Germany or one time in Italy then back and forth to California, so I saw the vast difference in the two post war cultures and how some Europeans were still digging out from the war. I guess this is why I'm so down on this war drumming "schiesse Krampf"

So Cheers to you my friend, lets get together and chat it up some time, I'm sure we'll manage to mangle one Germanic language or other and squeek by...and dump all the heady stuff and talk PR!...heh-heh

[[R-CON]Alex6714]

I have to say stuff like this intrigues me (along with alot of other similar stuff such as the bermuda triangle, old civilisations, the diminishing and "has changed in the past" magnetic field etc...) but I find it hard to believe.

And anything that happens then will get associated with it. What I mean is, lots of disasters happen all the time, and just because that is now a "sppecial" date, anything that happens then or near then will get associated with it, when actually it is probably a reasonably "normal" event.

[Prydain]

This happened in September 2006, everybody started MSNing me about the end of the world and some links. IICR I made it to October.

If it is real, I realy hope that it reschedules, I have handed in my notice and quit my job on the 21st. Its going to be hard finding work at the end of the world.

[Prydain]

Woops, just realised the 2012.

The guy who made it is obviously a Christian dumb arse.

[Ti_GER Niqo]

So, I had a more detailed look on the links Johnny posted, and did a little research.

This link: http://www.goldenmuseum.com/1611GenCode_engl.html is cr*p, sorry to say that, but it's full of mistakes (typos and sense). Their theory of a Supra Code in DNA is false, and their own test shows it.

Thus we have for this case a proportion: 36-24-12 that is close to the "resonance": 34-21-13.

This is no proof, its simply coincidence (or as Kenwayy said: search and you will find), and "close to" is no scientific proof, as well as to use only one example is unsufficiant. I did not find any scientific publications on this. If you search for Fibonacci in PubMed (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=PubMed) you only get papers on botany (e.g. on petals) or x-ray scans of cristals, which both are known to "follow" the fibonacci sequence. Their base for all this, the "well-known Russian scientist Sergey Petoukhov" does not show up either. The experts they bring up

Since 1990 the indicated regularity multiply was tested and confirmed by many outstanding biologists, in particular, by professors Montagnier and Chermann, studied the DNA of the AIDS virus.

do show up, and they are researching HIV and AIDS, but the Fibonacci seq is not mentioned.

The other link is way better, although they cite some statements from some guys that are not proven. The Pics are really nice, and they explain why plants seem to "follow" the fibonacci seq. or the golden angle:

Why do these arrangements occur? In the case of leaf arrangement, or phyllotaxis, some of the cases may be related to maximizing the space for each leaf, or the average amount of light falling on each one. Even a tiny advantage would come to dominate, over many generations. In the case of close-packed leaves in cabbages and succulents the correct arrangement may be crucial for availability of space.
...
So nature isn't trying to use the Fibonacci numbers: they are appearing as a by-product of a deeper physical process. That is why the spirals are imperfect.
The plant is responding to physical constraints, not to a mathematical rule.

It's pure evolution - over the decades the plants wich got more light because of their better order of leaves, or which attracted more insects with their petals were able to survive and spread.
So, now my mind can rest and focus on the important things in life - e.g. PR
If anyone followed this litte excurse, thanks for reading and c ya on the BF!

[ArmedDrunk&Angry]

Hah!
There is no evolution.
I found proof on YouTube !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZFG5PKw504