Person at a Q&A with Kerry gets arrested

[[R-CON]Desertfox]

Originally Posted by The_motivator

How knowledgeable do you have to be to post on this forum... Oh, wait... right..

Theres a difference between someone posting on a gaming forum and POLICE.

[The_motivator]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7NWukZhsiBw&NR=1

Judging from this video, this kid's a complete nutjob anyway.
"People know where i am! you can't kill me!"

[[R-DEV]Eddie Baker]

Originally Posted by ArmedDrunk&Angry

But notice, the man who be a wartime President doesn't know what to do or say so he makes jokes but nobody is paying any attention to him.
About what his presidency would have been like.

And you would want him to do what, interfere with the security guards in the course of doing their job? You would want the politician to micromanage the boots on the ground?

Say "avert your eyes from the entertainment of an attention whore getting a taser ride?" Shit, if I had known that would happen more often, I would actually attend these things, since that's tons more interesting than anything a politician has to say, since its always the same thing. I doubt Bush would have done any better, but then again his Q&A audiences are more selectively screened.

ADA, I agree with you most of the time on your assessments of events, but really, get off your high horse, because the saddle pommel seems to have found its way into your ass this time.

I am by no means a law enforcement or security professional, but the taser seemed like the best option here; pepper spray would have collateral effect in a crowd and batoning the guy would have been excessive. Hell, after hearing about the effects of pepper spray, I'd rather have the taser.

[The_motivator]

Originally Posted by [R-CON]Desertfox

Theres a difference between someone posting on a gaming forum and POLICE.

He made an assumption of the poor training of cops. I made an assumption that he's a pompous holier-than-thou type. If he can make assumptions, so can I.


another video I got linked to from a few of those "brutality" videos..

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=USAEAB...elated&search=

Oh no, poor rioter got tazed... Very rarely do peaceful protesters wear bacalavas.

[SiN|ScarFace]

Originally Posted by solodude23

Sidenote: The other day there were some guys (3-4) tagging up a wall in my area. A cop pulled over and attempted to arrest them. They first refused - followed by some threats. Before long the cop ended up on the ground beaten half to death before neighbors came out and helped. Afterwards the cop had said he was afraid to face police brutality charges, as his friend did who faced a similar encounter.

Maybe he should have called for backup, but thats just my worthless opinion.

[The_motivator]

Originally Posted by SiN|ScarFace

Maybe he should have called for backup, but thats just my worthless opinion.

The assumption the cop made, and in most situations he would be right, is that his accepted authority by society should have made those kids compliant. They weren't. He got put in a world of shit.

[solodude23]

Originally Posted by SiN|ScarFace

Maybe he should have called for backup, but thats just my worthless opinion.

He did. Unfortunately back up dosn't always get there instantly. They attacked him and he was afraid to do anything to them outside of defending without use of a weapon.

[WNxKenwayy]

Originally Posted by SiN|ScarFace

Thats about as likely as him having a heart attack from getting tazed, and since when do police give a shit if you get hurt when they restrain you. Ummm getting tackled at full speed onto pavement when running, getting "tapped" by a patrol car, having a full grown man put his knee into your sternum while you are prone.... ect. They can use whatever method they want really, they don't weigh the pros and cons in a split second. And in this case they did bear hug him and lift him, obviously without regard for the situation you described.

I would have still dragged his ass out. They didn't have to tazer him to cuff him. It was for pain compliance.

By show of hands, how many people here have done many days worth of combatives training as well as subuing resistive subjects?
How many have been tazered? Repeatedly in a short time period because it's your birthday?


Listin you moron. It is MUCH MUCH more likely for you to get injured in a 'combatives' situation than simply getting tazered. Tazering leaves no bruising that hurts for days, no cracked ribs, broken wrist, tore sockets. Until your dumbass has to subdue someone whose freaking out kindly stfu. Sick and tire of idiots with no experience in matters like this complaining when a stun gun is used. The ONLY 2 alternatives is do nothing (not an option) or wrestle with him, which results in much much more pain and a MASSIVELY higher chance of a lawsuit over injuries sustained during the struggle. There used to be a time in the country when getting your ass whupped by the cops was an understandable outcome of resisting arrest. Soon as the Sue-o-matic law's started popping up, police needed a less-than-liability solution to stop a subject.

I'd rather get tazered a dozen times than get manhandled by a bunch of untrained security officers. Training to properly use a tazer is a lot less than the month it takes to properly learn combatives, not to mention constant practice and huge chance of injury during practice training with other officers.

[ArmedDrunk&Angry]

Originally Posted by [R-DEV]Eddie Baker

And you would want him to do what, interfere with the security guards in the course of doing their job? You would want the politician to micromanage the boots on the ground?

Say "avert your eyes from the entertainment of an attention whore getting a taser ride?" Shit, if I had known that would happen more often, I would actually attend these things, since that's tons more interesting than anything a politician has to say, since its always the same thing. I doubt Bush would have done any better, but then again his Q&A audiences are more selectively screened.

ADA, I agree with you most of the time on your assessments of events, but really, get off your high horse, because the saddle pommel seems to have found its way into your ass this time.

I am by no means a law enforcement or security professional, but the taser seemed like the best option here; pepper spray would have collateral effect in a crowd and batoning the guy would have been excessive. Hell, after hearing about the effects of pepper spray, I'd rather have the taser.

I assume the pity for Kerry was why the title of the thread was changed even though it was not rude or abusive.

The Clintons screen their townhall meetings as well, for the specific purpose of avoiding things like this.

It looked like this was a 3rd string event and since Kerry is essentially a nobody these days I guess they didn't think it was necessary to screen the audience.

I do think that he could have taken some control over the situation and yes, I was bashing him.

Is he a forum member that he is so protected ?

Did you hear his words at the start of one clip ?

But hey, it's your forum so you can change it if you like.

But exactly what high horse am I on ?

I think Kerry is a piss poor excuse for a leader and the people who served with him thought the same thing.

Is that my high horse ?

And since we are on the subject, can you tell me how the pommel is in my ass because I don't like Kerry or crybaby conspiracy jerkoffs ?


It seems I am not alone in my opinion of the kid, so.....what is it that gives me the high horse with pommel up my ass ?





I was taught some take-downs they use in psych hospitals, and from my wife's ( at the time ) experience with them the staff is much more likely to get hurt but NY has strict rules about that stuff.

Now in practice, the patients that were combative or dangerous got their ass kicked in ways it didn't show and were generally abused by some of the more aggressive staff members.

Just like the cops in the old days, but now cops get sued and the presumption of guilt is on the cops in most police brutality claims, largely because of people like Mr. Meyer, who I'm sure will be a totally objective "journalist" if and when he graduates.

Just like the kid in the UCLA library, this guy thought that he could just bluster and yell his way out of it and he turned out to be wrong.

Why should the cops risk injuries, lawsuits and possible loss of job when you can just zap them ?

I learned at age 14 that f-cking with cops will get you slapped around in some form or another and I think most people understand that you can't really ever win a fight with a cop unless it is like the graffiti situation mentioned where the cop was outnumbered.
But I would guess that the kids that beat the cop will be caught eventually, for that crime or another and the cops will exact justice from them.

[Amek]

WTF, at which point the kid was showing agessive behaviour and posed any real threath to anyone? I'm not saying they should only use tazer after they got punched but the kid didn't look like he was going to do it anyway. Sure he resisted but he just was only squirming.

On a side note,

Few weeks a go at work at work I saw 2 police officers arrest an agressive middle aged man. First they asked him to came with them then they just grabbed him, cuffed him and escourted him away. No too much hassle involved. I'm glad they did and I could do my job without having him in my way.