Person at a Q&A with Kerry gets arrested

[ArmedDrunk&Angry]

Originally Posted by Prydain

Yea, he did not do anything... Except exercise his right to freedom of speech.

Why are the rest of the students being quiet? He might have made a racket but he did nothing against the law. I would have jumped in on his side to be honest, no matter what crap he was talking about. You can't have cops thinking that just because they can enforce LAW, they can enforce anything, including silence.

If that was a guy I knew being tazered by Nazi style policing I think most a man would start attacking the beacon cunts.

I don't know what a beacon c_nt is but this kid wanted a scene and he got one.

He could have walked away when his mic was cut off because he went over his time limit, instead he starts yelling and wrestling with cops.

If it was Nazi style policing ( and You know where you can stick comparisons with Nazis ) then they would have wrist locked him and actually caused some injury.


You deliberately misstate what happened so you can get on your soap box and call the cops Nazi and talk about silencing people.

He had his turn to speak but he thought the rules did not apply to him, that he could do as he pleased and when confronted with enforcers of the rules he fought them.

As soon as he started wrestling with the cops he was breaking the law and he is being charged with a 3rd degree felony which probably means he will plead out to a misdemeanor and might even see jail, although I doubt it.

I would have jumped in on his side to be honest, no matter what crap he was talking about

I have no way of judging if this is true or not but if you had then that would make the cops point that he was trying to incite a riot and his actions were premeditated.


Can you clarify your statement a bit ?

Are you saying that you would attack a police officer if you didn't agree with what he or she was doing ?

Doesn't that make you a thug with no respect for the rule of law ?




But notice, the man who be a wartime President doesn't know what to do or say so he makes jokes but nobody is paying any attention to him.
About what his presidency would have been like.

[00SoldierofFortune00]

Originally Posted by ArmedDrunk&Angry

Please, watch and laugh at this silly fool.
I hope he is beaten in lockup by the other prisoners.

Warning: No blood or anything in the videos, but a guy does get tazered.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f4b_1190069526
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=657_1190085332
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3ec_1190097717

But notice the man who would have been President, how he reacts and takes control of the situation.
If the election was stolen for real, it was the best thing that could have ever happened.

He was pretty much a protestor. People during the Petreus report protested and essentially voiced their freedom of speech, but you just cannot do that kind of stuff. If he had been smart and asked his question, then let a reponse come out, and then respond to that, everything probably would of been fine.


And stop complaining about him being tasered. It is not like it brought him any physical damage and if he was brused or got a concusion for resisting arrest(he did resist), then you would be on here complaing about that then.

All the guy had to do was ask his question without becoming a straight out protestor and then if the police take him out, just go with them. He made it worst by resisting and then later saying "Ok, i'll walk out on my own if you let go of me!" which you know he wouldn't of done.

He would of been more a man to just go with the police then argue and resist.

O, and you don't think the same things happen at Bush speeches? They usually only invite people who are either Republican or supporters of the President. And what does this have to do with John Kerry anyway? He didn't tell them to restrain this guy. This has more to do with the police then Kerry.

Just seems like another excuse for Armed, Drunk, and Angry to bash on someone.

They have no idea how to handle a situation like that, notice how students started to protest after the tazer, it stured up a reaction that could have been avoided by leaving him to finish his question, then he would look silly, now the cops look draconian and people all over the world who log on to Liveleak or Youtube and see this will be given the wrong impression of American police.

If I was a teacher I would have started defending him, he did nothing against the law and those guards should have been arrsted.

Seems like you have no idea how to handle this situation. He not only went over his timelimit, but was taking time away from other's time to talk, and if he was left to finish his question, I guarentee you that he would of never stopped talking or just step down on his own.

To me, he looked silly by making a rukus and avoiding arrest after all his other bs he was spitting out.

[Prydain]

Originally Posted by ArmedDrunk&Angry

I don't know what a beacon c_nt is but this kid wanted a scene and he got one.

Beacon, British word for a bobbie/Constable/cop.

Revert back to post #10. I stress my main concern is that the example it gives people and no, the 'Nazi style policing' was just an overexaduration but what it symbolises is that they where too harsh.

I don't see how you can defend that, I am not one who likes absolute human rights but I think tazering an obviously deranged teenager is too much, we can sit here and laugh all we want but imagine if that was one of your friends and he ran out of time by accident, would he have been forcibly silenced? How far could that have gone, until the classroom riots?

[WNxKenwayy]

Originally Posted by Prydain

Beacon, British word for a bobbie/Constable/cop.

Revert back to post #10. I stress my main concern is that the example it gives people and no, the 'Nazi style policing' was just an overexaduration but what it symbolises is that they where too harsh.

I don't see how you can defend that, I am not one who likes absolute human rights but I think tazering an obviously deranged teenager is too much, we can sit here and laugh all we want but imagine if that was one of your friends and he ran out of time by accident, would he have been forcibly silenced? How far could that have gone, until the classroom riots?

You have a young male, appears athletic in build, who is resisting arrest. What do you, in our obvious expert experience and knowledge, do to remove him?


Nothing is not an option. There is no freedom of speech. I can't walk up to you on the street, while you're at work, and just start screaming at you without security being called. When your speech infringes upon another persons freedom of speech (for example john kerry couldn't talk and the student was denying others the chance to use the mic) you are considered a disturbance and will be removed.


So, how do you remove him?

[Killer-Ape]

Originally Posted by ArmedDrunk&Angry

He could have walked away when his mic was cut off because he went over his time limit, instead he starts yelling and wrestling with cops.

Actually the cops moved in pretty fast after his mike was cut.. The big Question is.. Did they try to arrest him or just tell him to calm down? Trying to escort him out? His only BIG mistake was resisting arrest, once it starts don't be stupid.. you can't win.

He had the right to voice his opinion (unless he forcibly stole the mike).. And yes his choice of words was a bit obnoxious maybe even insulting.. But did he deserve to be arrested? I don't think so..

[00SoldierofFortune00]

Originally Posted by WNxKenwayy

You have a young male, appears athletic in build, who is resisting arrest. What do you, in our obvious expert experience and knowledge, do to remove him?


Nothing is not an option. There is no freedom of speech. I can't walk up to you on the street, while you're at work, and just start screaming at you without security being called. When your speech infringes upon another persons freedom of speech (for example john kerry couldn't talk and the student was denying others the chance to use the mic) you are considered a disturbance and will be removed.


So, how do you remove him?

You know, we disagree on a lot of things, but I couldn't agree with you more here.

[[R-MOD]Saobh]

Originally Posted by WNxKenwayy

...
So, how do you remove him?

Easy ! you knife him, he falls to the floor and spawns back in 60 seconds ( in which time he cooled off by taking a leak)

...

Darn, wrong thread again

[Prydain]

Originally Posted by WNxKenwayy

Nothing is not an option. There is no freedom of speech. I can't walk up to you on the street, while you're at work, and just start screaming at you without security being called.

God, I just got owned.

So, how do you remove him?

Well I would try a more composed way of dealing with the situation. John Kerry (the gentleman on the stage) does say as they start manhandleing his arms that he would answer the question. If they let go and alowed him to listen to Mr Kerry then he may have shut his gob for a moment and mabey, instead of being arrested, Mr Kerry could have made fun of the question and made the guy look silly. He did say "He has been talking for two hours" at one point, indicating that he is able to remain quiet for a decent amount of time.

The security was just shit for a load of young and not yet matured adults who can act like... well young adults act some times.

[ArmedDrunk&Angry]

Originally Posted by Prydain

I don't see how you can defend that, I am not one who likes absolute human rights but I think tazering an obviously deranged teenager is too much, we can sit here and laugh all we want but imagine if that was one of your friends and he ran out of time by accident, would he have been forcibly silenced? How far could that have gone, until the classroom riots?

He did not "accidentally" run out of time. He said that Kerry had been speaking for two hours so therefore he had the right to go over his limit.


If my friend went to a town hall meeting with the intention of giving his own conspiracy speech ( assuming that I agreed with him ) and was hustled off by the police I would have told him to calm down and we will deal with it in court.

There are three versions of the incident on tape and I saw at least one other camera there so there would have been plenty of evidence that he was or wasn't mistreated for going over the time limit.

But he fought like a spoiled child that he probably is and by doing so lost any chance of contesting his removal.

I don't think he actually wanted to start a riot because if he did it was done very poorly or his friends decided at the last minute that discretion was the better part of valor.

Nobody silenced him because of the content of his speech and force wasn't used until he started fighting them.


So again, you are materially misleading in order to make your point that the police were too harsh.


He is a senior and a major in Journalism ....WOW ! what a surprise !

But 4 years of college didn't teach him that he can't fight cops ?

Or that they don't have to explain anything to you during an arrest ?

Or that Miranda rights do not come into play until and unless you are questioned ?



Can anyone answer the question of what you would have done with the man ?

[SiN|ScarFace]

I would have continued to haul his ass out of the building, by force like they were already via a bear hug, cuff his dumb ass by force and arrested him for resisting.

There was no need to tazer his stupid ass, esp when there are plenty of your peers helping you.